BellaDonna 
Barrel Racker
Posts: 1890
 | | 10-17-2005 06:01 PM |
| We are in cardiology right now...and today, I learned that health professionals consider 3-4 glasses of wine/night (daily) is considered alcohol abuse...and alcohol abuse is consider a risk factor for some cardiovascular diseases.
Funny thing isn't it? I'm sure most of you would disagree...I had to try so hard to bite my lip. | | |
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skwid
Wine Connoisseur
Posts: 5452
| | 10-17-2005 06:32 PM |
| Yep, this is the "standard" for being considered an alcoholic (I think the standard for women is about a glass lower). The thing is I'd consider someone an alcoholic if hey can't give up drinking. I think your class books are considering that much alcohol daily a problem to a person's health and thus equating this to an alcoholic. | | | |
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ChangeMe
Grape Sorter
Posts: 307
| | 10-17-2005 06:33 PM |
| sign me up as an aclhy then | | | |
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Rothko
Palm Beach
Wine Connoisseur
Posts: 5721
| | 10-17-2005 06:39 PM |
| What if you drink 3 glasses before midnight and then 3 after midnight? That's ok, right? They're different days... | | | |
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BellaDonna
Barrel Racker
Posts: 1890
| | 10-17-2005 07:06 PM |
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Yep, this is the "standard" for being considered an alcoholic (I think the standard for women is about a glass lower). The thing is I'd consider someone an alcoholic if hey can't give up drinking. I think your class books are considering that much alcohol daily a problem to a person's health and thus equating this to an alcoholic.
We weren't diagnosing alcoholism itself today. It was more of something like "Mr. Jones is a 62 year old male complaining of shortness of breath. He has diabetes mellitus, hypertension, blah, blah, blah...and he drinks 3-4 glasses of wine each night." The 3-4 glasses of wine/night was only one factor.
We use what is called a CAGE questionnaire to look into their drinking problem:
C-Cutdown...do you feel that you need to cutdown?
A- (I forgot this one)
G-Guilt-Do you feel guilty for drinking?
E-Eyeopeners-How often do you use eyeopeners? | | | |
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ChangeMe
Grape Sorter
Posts: 307
| | 10-17-2005 07:39 PM |
| a = do you feel like an a$$hole when you're drunk  | | | |
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TBird
Park Slope, Brooklyn
Master of Wine
Posts: 10199
| | 10-17-2005 07:49 PM |
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a = do you feel like an a$$hole when you're drunk
a ='s your wife telling you that you were an $$hole last night while all you remember being was funny, witty, charming and handsome..... | | | |
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ChangeMe
Barrel Racker
Posts: 1907
| | 10-17-2005 07:55 PM |
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a = do you feel like an a$$hole when you're drunk
a ='s your wife telling you that you were an $$hole last night while all you remember being was funny, witty, charming and handsome.....
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ChangeMe
Grape Sorter
Posts: 307
| | 10-17-2005 07:55 PM |
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a = do you feel like an a$$hole when you're drunk
a ='s your wife telling you that you were an $$hole last night while all you remember being was funny, witty, charming and handsome.....
for whatever are you talking about honey??? sorta like that? | | | |
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ChillyWino
Barrel Racker
Posts: 1807
| | 10-17-2005 09:46 PM |
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a = do you feel like an a$$hole when you're drunk
a ='s your wife telling you that you were an $$hole last night while all you remember being was funny, witty, charming and handsome.....
Been there done that. | | | |
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BellaDonna
Barrel Racker
Posts: 1890
| | 10-18-2005 01:02 AM |
| Here is the official CAGE test:
Have you ever felt the need to Cut down on drinking?
Have you ever felt Annoyed by criticism of drinking?
Have you ever had Guilty feelings about drinking?
Have you evre taken a morning Eye opener? | | | |
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TBird
Park Slope, Brooklyn
Master of Wine
Posts: 10199
| | 10-18-2005 01:18 AM |
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Here is the official CAGE test:
Have you ever felt the need to Cut down on drinking?
Have you ever felt Annoyed by criticism of drinking?
Have you ever had Guilty feelings about drinking?
Have you evre taken a morning Eye opener?
what am i if i score 50%?  | | | |
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BellaDonna
Barrel Racker
Posts: 1890
| | 10-18-2005 01:26 AM |
| "two positive answers can be considered as strong evidence of alcoholism" page 130 of The Clinical Encounter by J. Andrew Billings
Sorry TBird, I didn't write the CAGE guidelines...  | | | |
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TBird
Park Slope, Brooklyn
Master of Wine
Posts: 10199
| | 10-18-2005 01:37 AM |
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"two positive answers can be considered as strong evidence of alcoholism" page 130 of The Clinical Encounter by J. Andrew Billings
Sorry TBird...
no need to be sorry, as i don't think it's a surprise to anyone. actually, it's more of a surprise that i only scored 50%....  whaddup wit' 'dat? | | | |
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BellaDonna
Barrel Racker
Posts: 1890
| | 10-18-2005 01:41 AM |
| In my professional opinion, I would say that if your drinking doesn't hurt you financially (you pay your bills before you buy your booze), it doesn't affect your work, doesn't affect your personal relationships, and you are fine with it...then there is no immediate harm. | | | |
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TBird
Park Slope, Brooklyn
Master of Wine
Posts: 10199
| | 10-18-2005 01:42 AM |
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In my professional opinion, I would say that if your drinking doesn't hurt you financially (you pay your bills before you buy your booze), it doesn't affect your work, doesn't affect your personal relationships, and you are fine with it...then there is no immediate harm.
will you call my wife and tell her that?LOL
i agree, tho. | | | |
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BellaDonna
Barrel Racker
Posts: 1890
| | 10-18-2005 01:47 AM |
| Phone call to Mrs. TBird:
BellaDonna: "Hi Mrs. TBird....in my professional opinion I would say that if your husband's drinking doesn't hurt you guys financially (you pay your bills before you buy your booze), it doesn't affect his work, doesn't affect his personal relationships, and he are fine with it...then there is no immediate harm. "
Mrs. TBird: "Who the hell are you?"
BellaDonna: "I'm one of TBird's wine friends online..."
Mrs. TBird: -click-...as she runs to pop open 25 cases of wine and pour them all down the drain and unplug the computer too
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TBird
Park Slope, Brooklyn
Master of Wine
Posts: 10199
| | 10-18-2005 01:54 AM |
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Phone call to Mrs. TBird:
BellaDonna: "Hi Mrs. TBird....in my professional opinion I would say that if your husband's drinking doesn't hurt you guys financially (you pay your bills before you buy your booze), it doesn't affect his work, doesn't affect his personal relationships, and he are fine with it...then there is no immediate harm. "
Mrs. TBird: "Who the hell are you?"
BellaDonna: "I'm one of TBird's wine friends online..."
Mrs. TBird: -click-...as she runs to pop open 25 cases of wine and pour them all down the drain and unplug the computer too
LOL | | | |
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wineismylife
Arlington, TX
Master of Wine
Posts: 12491
| | 10-18-2005 02:14 AM |
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Here is the official CAGE test:
Have you ever felt the need to Cut down on drinking?
Yes.
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Have you ever felt Annoyed by criticism of drinking?
Yes.
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Have you ever had Guilty feelings about drinking?
Yes.
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Have you evre taken a morning Eye opener?
Yes.
So what are you going to do about it you panzy?  | | | Joe-----Wine is like potato chips around me...if it's open, it's gone. | |
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BellaDonna
Barrel Racker
Posts: 1890
| | 10-18-2005 02:43 AM |
| That is for you and your doctor to discuss. | | | |
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