ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:12891
 | | 05/17/2005 12:20 AM |
| | i wish such a thing like offsite storage existed in pittsburgh. | | | |
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skwid
Wine Connoisseur
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Pete Marsh
Left Coast
Barrel Filler
Posts:1459
| | 05/17/2005 7:09 AM |
| I also have used Subterraneum. I highly recomend the facility.
Pete | |
Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with. | |
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Al_ksyrah
Barrel Filler
Posts:1033
| | 05/17/2005 1:10 PM |
| Subterraneum accepts deliveries?
-Al | | | |
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tanglenet
Oakland, California
Wine Bottler
Posts:3021
| | 05/17/2005 2:11 PM |
| skwid:
Thanks for the info!
Pete:
Thanks for the recommendation! | |
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"I drink no more than a sponge." François Rabelais
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skwid
Wine Connoisseur
Posts:5452
| | 05/17/2005 2:39 PM |
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Subterraneum accepts deliveries?
-Al
Yes they do. They charge a fee for accepting the delivery (I don't know what the fee is as I don't use that service). Subterraneum will hold your wine until you come to put the wine in your locker or they will put the wine into your locker for you if you direct them to do so. I've seen lockers from 10 cases to several hundred cases, though most of the lockers are 20 or 40 case lockers. | | | |
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Winetex
Austin, Texas
Master of Wine
Posts:10573
| | 05/17/2005 8:09 PM |
| Regarding the "tubes" and or PVC pipe for storage - is there any consideration necessary for weight? ie, how high can you stack them?
Today as I scored an offsite walk-in locker. While this is very exciting I now have to rack it. | | | |
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skwid
Wine Connoisseur
Posts:5452
| | 05/17/2005 8:45 PM |
| I would only stack the cardboard ones 10 to 15 high and then build another box around them (they need side support also). So a box that is 37.5"H X 37.55"W X 39" deep would do the trick. This would allow you to have 100 tubes with three deep on the bottles. You should be able to get more than this since I've calculated things using tubes stacked directly on top of each other (the width will be correct). So the hieght will be less tha 37.5". One really needs to get a couple layers of tubes to figure everything out. Then just make the supporting boxes (plywood and angle brackets) and start filling things up. If you make different sized boxes you can then put in 4" tubes which will work with Krug bottles | | | |
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EricLundblad
Grape Fermenter
Posts:557
| | 05/18/2005 12:25 AM |
| Quote:
Subterraneum accepts deliveries?
-Al
They charge $10/case (they pro-rate the charge for smaller shipments). I can't have wine shiipped to where I work or my house, so it's the only way I've found to recieve wine shipments without cooking the stuff. The good part is that the wine gets to to a cool area quickly after being shipped.
Of course, I pick up at the winery when ever possible...but it's not always possible so... | |
Ladd Cellars | |
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Al_ksyrah
Barrel Filler
Posts:1033
| | 05/18/2005 5:24 AM |
| Yeah, I also can't have wine shipped to where I work. I have some success with wine shipped to my home, especially with UPS as compared to FedEx, but I'd prefer a storage location that accepts deliveries. The other places I'm considering are Wine Bank in Menlo Park (they accept deliveries) and Wine Chest (don't know about deliveries). I may use more than one of these.
I also like the idea of the cardboard/PVC tubes, since I don't want to be moving cases around every time I try to find a wine.
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skwid
Wine Connoisseur
Posts:5452
| | 05/18/2005 2:03 PM |
| | Winechest is an unmanned facility so they do not accept packages (no one there to do it). JW1 used to use Wine Bank so he can fill you in on them. One nice thing about Wine Bank is they have a setup where you can sell wine through their web site. Check out their web site at www.winebank.us | | | |
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Eric White
San Ramon, CA
Advanced Sommelier
Posts:9126
| | 05/18/2005 4:48 PM |
| Regarding the use of PVC (actually it is ABS, PVC isn't available in 4" pipe), what I did what to cut the pipe into about 6" lengths, then used the hot red PVC glue (the strongest stuff) and glued each section to the other in a pattern like this:
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Use those convenient hand clamps to hold the pieces together while the stinky glue sets.
For smaller bottles (and sometimes to fill in gaps at the end of a row of 4" sections) I would use 3" pipe, which is perfect for 375ml (and, believe it or not, a few slinder alsace bottles).
I have yet to encounter any bottle that would not fit in 4" ABS pipe, including Turley, SQN, PAX, etc. | | | |
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Chris
Grape Sorter
Posts:246
| | 05/18/2005 7:04 PM |
| Eric-
You answered my question before I had to ask it. Thanks! | | | |
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tanglenet
Oakland, California
Wine Bottler
Posts:3021
| | 08/24/2006 10:40 PM |
| Quote:
Regarding the use of PVC (actually it is ABS, PVC isn't available in 4" pipe), what I did what to cut the pipe into about 6" lengths, then used the hot red PVC glue (the strongest stuff) and glued each section to the other in a pattern like this:
. O O O O O
O O O O O O
. O O O O O
O O O O O O
. O O O O O
Use those convenient hand clamps to hold the pieces together while the stinky glue sets.
For smaller bottles (and sometimes to fill in gaps at the end of a row of 4" sections) I would use 3" pipe, which is perfect for 375ml (and, believe it or not, a few slinder alsace bottles).
I have yet to encounter any bottle that would not fit in 4" ABS pipe, including Turley, SQN, PAX, etc.
Eric,
How high do you stack these? And do you have a "frame" holding them all together, or do you just have the glued joints?
Thanks in advance! | |
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"I drink no more than a sponge." François Rabelais
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Eric White
San Ramon, CA
Advanced Sommelier
Posts:9126
| | 08/25/2006 10:04 PM |
| Tanglenet, thanks for the PM - frankly I hadn't been reading this thread, and would have overlooked it if you hadn't brought it to my attention.
I had two seperate areas in my space that suited the use of ABS pipe well, one was an old shelving unit - sort of a book shelf, but varying size open areas - about 3' wide, and ranging from about 2 bottle height to 4-5 bottle hight. The other area was a long shelf between a wall and a wooden divider, and the largest section is stacked 7 high. So in both cases my tube assembly is secured to a shelf (with screws), and has walls on either side. I'll take a screen shot of my excel spreadsheet and upload it later this afternoon which might make this a little easier to visualize. Maybe a digital pic if I can get an good angle in that cramped space | | | |
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tanglenet
Oakland, California
Wine Bottler
Posts:3021
| | 08/25/2006 10:20 PM |
| | Thanks Eric. I'm thinking of going 4' wide and almost 6' high with tubes and was thinking about having the tubes enclosed in wood framed cubes. Appreciate any input as well as visual input you may give! | |
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Eric White
San Ramon, CA
Advanced Sommelier
Posts:9126
| | 08/26/2006 3:29 AM |
| Ok, really tough to get a good pic in my cellar, but here goes.
First of all, I assembled the piping stucture in advance, outside the cellar, to fit in the space it was designed for. I used heavy duty PVC glue, and those easy hand clamps to hold them together. Event at 7 high, being 6-7" deep the conglomeration was increadibly sturdy, and would have stood on its against a wall.
Real pic #1 - best view of the overall install on one wall.
Closer view - the purple stuff is the PVC glue that globbed out ( this solution isn't exactly purty, the way I did it)
A closer-up. I used ilets to thread a thin rod through, then attached rubber bands to the rod and rapped around the bottle for earthquake bracing
and yet a closer-closer up view
And this screenshot of my spreadsheet is how I tied that same wall into my tracking system, so I know where everthing is.
Hope this help! | | | |
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Al_ksyrah
Barrel Filler
Posts:1033
| | 08/26/2006 4:23 AM |
| Thanks for the photos. One of the things I've wondered about tube systems on shelves (rather than in lockers) is how to minimize effect of small earthquakes.
-Al | | | |
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tanglenet
Oakland, California
Wine Bottler
Posts:3021
| | 08/26/2006 6:10 AM |
| Quote:
Ok, really tough to get a good pic in my cellar, but here goes.
Wow. Way cool. Thanks! | |
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wineismylife
Arlington, TX
Master of Wine
Posts:12003
| | 08/26/2006 2:29 PM |
| I was enjoying trying to figure out what wines you had by the foil capsules. | |
Joe
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