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ChangeMe
Grape Stomper
Posts:172
 | | 02/13/2004 4:39 AM |
| It was the '97. And it too needs at least 5 years. I tasted it at the Eurotasting yesterday at the Carlu. Overall the event was a little dissapointing considering the amount of producers there. Alot of plonk. But Guigal was pretty good, and a few of the Port houses were there too. I will post a few tasting notes over the next few days.
P.S. Still no word on the cost of the Quintarelli. I'll keep you posted. | | | |
| futronic
Toronto, Canada
Wine Bottler
Posts:3214
| | 02/14/2004 3:29 AM |
| | I think I've got a bead on some '99 and '00 Allegrini Amarone at an unreal price if you're interested. Let me confirm with my agent first and I'll PM you the details. | | | |
| ChangeMe
Grape Stomper
Posts:172
| | 02/14/2004 8:10 AM |
| That sounds very interesting. Please let me know. By the way, I've got a line on some '97 supertuscans, not cheap mind you, but hard to come by, if your interested.Solaia's, tiganello's, etc.Hopefully you were smart and got in on the ground floor already. I was not, so I have to pay the price.  | | | |
| futronic
Toronto, Canada
Wine Bottler
Posts:3214
| | 02/14/2004 8:01 PM |
| | The same bead on the Amarone is resulting in a small offering of back vintages of Tig and Solaia and other stuff - all things Antinori. Pretty pricey for the big vintages, and since there's very little, there's no guarantee on who will get what, if anything. | | | |
| ojeffso
warren, new jersey
Wine Lover
Posts:4877
| | 02/15/2004 1:53 PM |
| from excellent vintages, brunello need a minimum of ten years, but more like 15 years to show their stuff. i had the 1990 ciacci a few months ago that was still powerful and just entering its drinking window.
btw, i found many of the 97's drinking well on release, but closing down a few months later. the fanti was a perfect example. it was tremendous when i first tasted it. six months later it was beginning the closed down phase. i probably will not touch another 97 until 2006/2007. | | | |
| Joseph Bembry
Wine Lover
Posts:4859
| | 02/15/2004 6:38 PM |
| What about a vintage like '96, ojeffso? Not as highly regarded. Do you think these wines are closed now as well?
jb | | | |
| ojeffso
warren, new jersey
Wine Lover
Posts:4877
| | 02/15/2004 9:15 PM |
| | i had the 96 ciacci a few months ago. not as big as the 95 siro pacenti we had recently, but still quite tannic. i will try another one in a few years. an excellent producer, even from the 96 vintage will need about ten years. fwiw, many 93's are beginning to drink well. | | | |
| Pool Boy
Laurl, MD (DC suburb)
Master of Wine
Posts:13672
| | 02/15/2004 9:25 PM |
| | I actually had quite a few 98s last year in Italy that were pretty darn approchable now. Now, I realize 98 is no 97, so perhaps that explains it? | |
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| ojeffso
warren, new jersey
Wine Lover
Posts:4877
| | 02/15/2004 10:15 PM |
| | tj-98 was a very good year. depends on the level of the brunello. also, you were drinking them on release. many times brunello drink well on release, but then begin to shut down after six months or so. | | | |
| Pool Boy
Laurl, MD (DC suburb)
Master of Wine
Posts:13672
| | 02/15/2004 10:21 PM |
| Quote:
tj-98 was a very good year. depends on the level of the brunello. also, you were drinking them on release. many times brunello drink well on release, but then begin to shut down after six months or so.
Thanks, dude. splains it well.  | |
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| Fred
Wine Thief
Posts:2673
| | 01/27/2006 1:42 PM |
| Dean Gold who is the owner of Dino here in DC is a veritable encyclopedia for Italian food and wine. He recently was at a 2001 Brunello tasting and had the following to say about the vintage and producers. Very interesting stuff.
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I just returned from the Benvenuto Brunello event in New York yesterday. I lost track of how many 2001 Brunello, 2000 Brunello and 2004 rosso di Brunello I tasted, but I was hard at work for 4 hours!
A few overviews....
Boy, there is an ocean of crappy wine under the name Brunello.
When brunello is good, it simply my idea of a perfect wine... earthy aromas blended with intense fruit, full style, ageable yet great to drink young. food friendly. The 10-15 2001 wines I loved were simply spectacular. The 15 wines I hated were an absolute joke to me. Yet these jokes will still sell for $50 a bottle on up and many will receive great scores. Getting an education in Brunello is an expensive endeavor.
Brunello 2000 is a pretty amazing vintage for drinking now up to 2 or 3 years from now, when the wines are good. Good producers include Ciacci, Pertimali Sasetti Livio, Costanti, Cerbaiona, Pieri Le Macioche, Collosorbo (not all of these were at the tasting yesterday). But some usually reliable producers struggled: Argiano, Camigliano, Val di Cava come to mind.
Now for my impressions of 2001. Remember that most of these wines have either just been bottled or were bottled just for this event. When the wines hit in Spring to late fall, they will be much more evolved. At the same time last year I was much less impressed with the 2000 vintage. At the same time 2 years ago, I thought 99 to be very good, now I consider it great.
Best of the crop (In no particular order)
Costanti- Yeah, Andrea Costanti is my friend, but I think his wines are on quite a roll. The 2001 was just about perfect. Firm, spicy, full, huge yet not overbearing. Given his wines track record for aging, this wine should evolve into a simply incredible Brunello with a long long life. His best since 1997 and probably better than that great wine.
Ciacci Piccolomini- Huge, rich, lush, wonderful. Surprisingly easy to drink already, yet the winery has a track record of long lived wines. Superb.
Le Chiuse- small producer not available as far as I know in DC. Too bad. Very big, very spicy, long lived. Not a wine to drink now or soon. Very earthy and a little on the brooding side.
Le Macioche- Tiny producer, lean, tight style, very ripe fruit that should be a real winner. Lots of tar and earthy elements. Another great wine from a very favorite producer.
Argiano- everything I expect from this usually reliable producer. Silkier style than many, very easy to drink now.
The next group-
Collosorbo- top notch wine, but not my personal style. Lighter relative to the over all vintage than previous wines, but still with a lushness of fruit, almost a sweetness yet not sweet, that appeals to many. Even though I would not typically order it myself, it is a really nice wine. Loads of red fruit elements. I think of Collosorbo as appealing to big Napa cabernet drinkers.
Lisini- excellent example from this estate. Again, not my personal favorite but very well done indeed. I would think Bordeaux lovers would appreciate this wine for its leanness.
Uccelliera- very soft, a little on the modern style in character. Black fruit. Another not in my personal style, but a very good wine.
Wines I am not sure about but would love to taste again-
A couple of wines that I tried more than once impressed me on one sip and not the other….
Siro Pacenti- huge and extracted one taste, odd the next. Bad bottle perhaps on the second tasting or just to darn early to tell.
Poggio San Polo- very backwards. Still lot to like here but I’m not in a rush to buy it without further tasting.
Castello di Romitorio- usually a wine I like, this tasted disjoint and confused. Will try again in the future.
Camigliano- I expected good things, maybe just to early to tell. Lots of minerality but no fruit and not a lot of density.
Il Poggione- where’s the fruit?
Silvio Nardi- where’s the fruit?
Wines that truly disappointed-
Val di Cava- overripe, not very specific to the terroir.
Tenute Greppo Mazzi Ruffino- huh?
Banfi- sure to score big in Parker.
Capanna- not a lot of fruit evident
Carpazo- not a lot of heart there
Col d’Orcia- my least favorite wine of the day
2004 Rosso- these wines will be fabulous bargains….
Ciacci
Costanti
Siro Pacenti (will be expensive but I think outstanding)
Argiano
Le Chiuse
Collosorbo | |
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| Pool Boy
Laurl, MD (DC suburb)
Master of Wine
Posts:13672
| | 01/27/2006 2:02 PM |
| | Fred, thanks for passing on the info. Just copy pasted to a note on my Blackberry. | |
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| LordOpie
Grape Picker
Posts:0
| | 05/08/2007 10:33 PM |
| Posted By Carl on 01/21/2004 10:40 AM
I had my first Brunello di Montalcino two weeks ago in Rome (a 1997). I know I'm a few years late, but I was amazed at how cheap Italian wine is in Italy. Last week, we were at a restaurant outside of Sienna and had a 1990 Col D'Orcia BdM for 55Euro! So yummy, so cheap! So we had to go to Col D'Orcia and buy their vintage 6 pack -- 1979, 83, and 85. | | | |
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