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ormbee
Barrel Sampler
Posts:2397
 | | 03/17/2004 5:06 AM |
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ombree,
yes I am from Michigan and still reside there. Too bad it's one of "those" states, that do not allow for out of state wine shipments. However, the natural beauty of the state does make up for some of those kind of things. Also it's the GREAT lakes state if you are so inclined to H2O, which I am.
ks
Cool, I am originally from Ludington ( North of Grand Rapids on Lake Michigan) . Mrs. Ormbee is from Sterling Heights on the East side of Detroit.
Looking forward to responses to your other questions. There are a few pretty serious German wine Geeks here, I have learned a lot from them. Make sure you check out the other German wine primers | | | |
| ChangeMe
Grape Puncher
Posts:986
| | 03/17/2004 12:30 PM |
| k syrah
I'll take a shot at some of your questions.
First of all, I have a discussion of gold capsules vs. white capsules up above in this thread. If you have more questions please feel free to ask. It's a tough subject with zero definitive answers.
Ok, now for the rest in the order presented:
Good producers at reasonable prices:
J.u.H.A. Strub (Rheinhessen), Schmitt-Wagner (Mosel-Saar-Ruwer), Meulenhof (Mosel-Saar-Ruwer), Hexamer (Nahe), Kurt Darting (Pfalz). You can learn a lot about German Riesling from those five producers. Please note that they are all Terry Theise imports. That is for a couple of reasons: I like the wine styles that Terry brings in to the USA, I have good access to them (so I know the producers' styles very well) and I find the Rudi Weist imports are typically much more expensive.
Please also note that you can get kabinett and spatlese wines from some of the top producers for under (sometimes well under) the $35 figure you mention. From some anecdotal evidence I gather that MI has very high wine prices, so that might make the kabinett wines of Donnhoff, Christoffel, Weil, etc. more expensive than they should be.
Good Rieslings can age:
You bet! With good storage some Rieslings are darned near immortal. What I normally say (learned this from Terry Theise a long time ago, but I have backed it up with experiments in my own cellar) is that with good strage a kabinett from a good producer in a good vintage is a 10 year wine, a spatlese 20 year, and auslese 30 year. The dessert style wines (BA,TBA, Eiswein) may outlive us all.
Now in the case of 2001, this whole curve is extended in my opinion. That's because for most of the good producers their kabinetts are really spatlese, the spatlese really auslese, and some of the auslese are really beerenauslese. As an example, the 2001 Donnhoff Oberhauser Leistenberg Riesling Kabinett could legally have been sold as auslese. So it's got a long life ahead of it.
I honestly believe we'll be drinking the some of the best 2001 spatlese and auslese wines in 2030-2040 with great pleasure. I just hope I am around to see it.
As for your list, let me note expectations against each one:
2001 Eithelsbacher Karthauserhofberg Riesling Kabinett (this is a 10 year wine)
2002 Mosel-Saar-Ruer Estate Riesling Monchhof (drink now-2005)
2001 Bretzenheimer Hofgut Scheurebe Kabinett, Dr Ganz (drink this year)
2001 Winkeler Hassensprung Riesling Kabinett, Prinz Von Hessen (drink now-2006)
2001 Niesteiner Hipping Riesling Auslese, H. Seebrich (drink 2010-2015)
2001 Oppenheimer Herrenberg Riesling Kabinett, Dr. Heyden (drink now-2006)
Admittedly the dates I give don't really correspond to the info I listed above on aging, but only the Eithelsbacher Karthauserhofberg is from a really top producer. The Monchof is an intro level wine from a good producer. I'm glad to see you liked the Ganz Scheurebe. I'm a big Scheurebe fan.
I hope this helps. Feel free to ask more. | | | |
| Carl
Grape Fermenter
Posts:462
| | 03/17/2004 1:21 PM |
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I liked all of them and the first one listed was my favorite of the bunch, because it was not overly sweet and it was , imho, complex in taste and finish and also the wine seemed in perfect balance between sweetness and acidity.
Did it by any chance have the word "Trocken" in the label? (Trocken = dry)
Were any of them Trocken? | | | |
| ChangeMe
Grape Picker
Posts:12
| | 03/18/2004 2:25 AM |
| cbmac,
I won't know that answer till after March 26 which is when I can pick up the wine that was ordered from the tasting. Right now all I have is the catalogue and it does not mention if it is trocken, halbtrocken or ?. I don't remember all the details from the labels at the tasting. However, I will post an answer when I recieve them.
ks | | | |
| ChangeMe
Grape Picker
Posts:12
| | 03/18/2004 2:50 AM |
| Rieslingfan,
Thank you so much for the responses. Re: capsules, I guess I just worded the question kinda dumb and also semi-answered it (thinking aloud in print). I did read your post above about capsules and was trying to clarify this: When people speak of goldcapsule wine are they really talking about the color of the capsule? I kinda gathered so, initially I was reading more into the phrase "goldcapsule" than just a gold colored object that covers the cork. At this point in my learning curve I'm not going to toss myself a curve and worry about capsules. at least just not yet...
Yes, you are correct in assuming high wine prices in Michigan. I am always amazed by the prices I see quoted on forums, we usually run a few bucks higher. Oh well. I do believe that I will be able to easily obtain Terry Theise imported wines in my area though because the store that is affilated with the wine club that held the wine tasting does business with this importer.
I appreciate the drinking window information that you so kindly provided. About that 2030-2040, nice to know they can age that long and hope I'm around to see it too!
The producers that you mentioned in your post, I'll be sure to seek them out in addition to the stuff I have already tried and liked.
ks | | | |
| ChangeMe
Grape Picker
Posts:12
| | 04/01/2004 3:37 AM |
| CBMAC,
Just picked up my order yesterday from the wine tasting and not a one of the lables say "Trocken".
Sipping the Dr. Ganz right now, lovely! Looking forward to matching pairings with dinners for my new found variety.
ks | | | |
| ChangeMe
Grape Picker
Posts:12
| | 04/01/2004 3:45 AM |
| Quote:
Quote:
ombree,
yes I am from Michigan and still reside there. Too bad it's one of "those" states, that do not allow for out of state wine shipments. However, the natural beauty of the state does make up for some of those kind of things. Also it's the GREAT lakes state if you are so inclined to H2O, which I am.
ks
Cool, I am originally from Ludington ( North of Grand Rapids on Lake Michigan) . Mrs. Ormbee is from Sterling Heights on the East side of Detroit.
Looking forward to responses to your other questions. There are a few pretty serious German wine Geeks here, I have learned a lot from them. Make sure you check out the other German wine primers
Ombree, sorry I just now saw your post to me, I gathered you might have been from the State of Michigan or ? due to your avatar. Red Wing Fan, huh! I'm not a sports fan but GO WINGS! is approiate here. Ludington, a beautiful place. Recall camping there at the state park many years ago. So HOWDY, from a fellow Michigander!
ks | | | |
| Carl
Grape Fermenter
Posts:462
| | 04/01/2004 10:11 AM |
| Quote:
CBMAC,
Just picked up my order yesterday from the wine tasting and not a one of the lables say "Trocken".
The reason I asked is that, by your description, the one you seemed to like resembled the trocken (dry) style of riesling.
Among the international wine cognoscenti, dry German Riesling is not so highly regarded, but I personally like it quite a bit, especially spätlese trocken. | | | |
| Paul Alan
Grape Sorter
Posts:337
| | 04/01/2004 10:13 AM |
| RF.............
Thank you for sharing all that information. With the weather changing and Spring turns to Summer I consider Reisling from Germany the perfect Summer refreshment. And with the quality of the 2001 and 2002 vintages there is no better time to learn about this overlooked section of the wine trade in general. Thank you for being a fountain of knowlege in this feild and taking the time to share your knowlege with us. Keep on posting those notes. Your creditability is like cement.(written in stone).
Cheers
Paul | | | |
| ChangeMe
Grape Puncher
Posts:986
| | 04/02/2004 12:17 PM |
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Among the international wine cognoscenti, dry German Riesling is not so highly regarded, but I personally like it quite a bit, especially spätlese trocken.
Some trocken wine is receiving great praise. Granted the majority is still perceived as overpriced battery acid under cork (and is not far from it), but there are some fine versions.
Your mention of spatlese trocken is key.
Some fine spatlese trockens I have tasted recently included:
Leitz Rudesheimer Berg Rottland (bought some)
Donnhoff Niederhauser Hermannshohle (bought some)
Donnhoff Schlossbockelheimer Felsenberg (bought some)
St. Urbans-Hof Leiwener Laurentiuslay (can't find anymore)
I would buy any of those three with confidence. There's more as well.
And if folks are looking for dry Riesling, please do not ignore Austria. Nigl, Brundelmayer, Knoll, Hirtzberger, Nikolaihof, Hirsch, Pichler, et all make woderful dry Riesling! | | | |
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