Andrew
Grape Destemmer
Posts:77
 | | 02/12/2006 2:21 PM |
| Hey all,
I've decided to focus on tasting one variety for right now to get a better idea of its style. Im would like to try different reigons like Cali, Oregon, Burgundy, New Zealand, and so on. So I wanted to get some suggestions from the fourm members as to which pinot niors to try.
I have tasted these so far: Wild Horse, Willamette Valley, W.H. Smith, and the Coppola.
Looking to taste: J Winery and Baileyana Vineyard PN.
So far I really enjoyed the Willamette Valley PN.
Any other suggestions?
Is this a good plan of action?
Thanks. | | | |
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ojeffso
warren, new jersey
Wine Lover
Posts:4877
| | 02/12/2006 2:37 PM |
| | what's your price range? | | | |
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Andrew
Grape Destemmer
Posts:77
| | 02/12/2006 2:38 PM |
| | Up to $40 | | | |
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ojeffso
warren, new jersey
Wine Lover
Posts:4877
| | 02/12/2006 4:05 PM |
| i was just at the end of my reply and the power went out in my house. here i go again.
in regards to california and oregon i would stick to basic estate or region wines. these should be avaiable in the $20 to $30 range. here are some from california:
melville estate pinot noir $25-28
walter hansel estate pinot noir $25-28
l'automne mendocino pinot noir $16-18
siduri russian river pinot noir $25-28
siduri santa rita pinot noir $25-28
i do not have alot of experience in oregon, but here are a couple i have tried and liked:
bethel heights estate pinot noir $25
lemelson thea pinot noir $30
a south afrivan pinot i tasted recently and enjoyed was the hamilton russel estate pinot noir in the $25 range.
burgundy is another animal. depending on producer, basic borgogne's may be anywhere from $12 to $40 a bottle and are more about pinot than terroir. unfortunately, burgundy is about pinot and TERROIR. to understand burgundy, you need to move up to village wines or premier cru's from the cote du beuane. depending on vintage and producer, these wines need typically 5-10 years to show their best. some volnay and pommards will last for 20-30 years. here are some suggestions that should be readily available. this is important because availability is another issue in burgundy.
2002 parent bourgogne $14
2003 guillon borgogne $18-20
2003 meo-camuzet borgogne $27-30
2003 chevillon bourgogne $18-22
some village wines and cote du beaune.
2001 girardin gevrey chambertin vv $30-33
2001 pavelot savigny les beaune la dominode $35
2002 jadot gevrey chambertin $32-35
2002 jadot vosne romanee $34-37
2002 jadot clos beaune clos des ursulles $38-42
2002 jadot savigny les beaune la dominode $23-27
2002 girardin volnay santenots $38-42
2002 j.m. boillot pommard $33-35
2002 lignier-michelot chambolle musigny vv $33-37
2002 lignier-michelot gevrey chambertin $30-33
2003 jadot savigny les beaune la dominode $30-35
in general, 2003 is a over priced, over ripe vintage. other than basic bourgoge, collectables and correctly priced wines, i have stayed away from the vintage. i think 2001 is better than advertised and i would look for bargains still sitting around. there should be some nice drinking wines available from the sub par 2000 vintage. any of the lignier-michelot wines i mentioned above from the 2000 vintage should be ready to go. | | | |
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David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
Master Sommelier
Posts:15701
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| 02/12/2006 9:36 PM |
| I would sign up on some lists right away (assuming they can ship to your state).
Kosta Browne
Loring
A P Vin
Martinelli
Inman Family
Pisoni
Roar
Siduri
Sea Smoke
Pappapietro Perry
Halleck Family
Most you will be put on a wait-list but some (probably Inman Family and Siduri) should be able to ship you right away.
Next I would go towinecask.com on March 1st and download their 2006 Futures Catalog. Look through that and pick out a couple of wines to order from there.
And of course there is your local retailer. Give the board members a hint where you live and I'm some will be able to suggest a retailer in your area and give you some suggestions on what might be available that is a decent wine.
The best possible thing you can do is to attend an offline. I know there are offlines near where you live. Invest in a nice bottle of wine to take to the offline and go. There isn't any place better where you will be able to try so many different wines for a fraction of the cost. The best thing about this community is that we all really enjoy sharing our wines. And it's always nice to find a nice young sucker that knows nothing to experiment with some of the stuff they want to unload. | | | |
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Andrew
Grape Destemmer
Posts:77
| | 02/12/2006 11:35 PM |
| Hey all,
Thanks for taking the time to respond, I really appreciate it. I have written down everything and will be looking.
I live just outside of philadelphia, PA. Our state doesnt allow the shipment of wine to customers, so i dont know if there are ways around that or not?? I find most of the state stores carry the same wine. I have been to about 4 different ones.
What is an offline? | | | |
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ojeffso
warren, new jersey
Wine Lover
Posts:4877
| | 02/12/2006 11:53 PM |
| | buy wine in new jersey. | | | |
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pizinah
Barrel Filler
Posts:1313
| | 02/13/2006 7:11 AM |
| California under $40:
Kosta Browne appellation wines (Sonoma Coast and Russian River Valley PN) @ $30-40
Talley Estate Pinot ($30)
Hartford Sonoma Coast PN ($20-25)
Melville Estate PN ($25-30) | | | |
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Dick W.
Barrel Filler
Posts:1081
| | 02/14/2006 7:56 PM |
| Quote:
What is an offline?
an offline is a gathering of forumites for purposes of drinking wine. some are centered around a visiting forumite, some are monthly get togethers of regulars who met thru this forum. goals range from regional or type tastings to special bottles, new releases, etc. pretty much anything goes. look under the wine events heading, and vinocellar wine events subheading for an idea of offlines and to see who gathers in your area. these are great opportunities to try wines that you don't have in your cellar and to bring a bottle that others may not have tried. blind tastings, ratings, or just casual get togethers in a restaurant all occur on a regular basis. | | | |
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Andrew
Grape Destemmer
Posts:77
| | 02/15/2006 5:29 AM |
| Thanks for the info Frankie.
So I was trying to find some of the wines listed, no stores in the area had any but I found one I could place an order for.
Siduri PN Clos Pepe 2000 $23.19
Siduri PN Clos Pepe 2004 $53.79
Why such a difference in the years? How do these prices compare to those of other areas? Order or no order? | | | |
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Adam Lee
Grape Stomper
Posts:142
| | 02/15/2006 2:49 PM |
| The 2000 vintage was the first vintage that we produced Pinot Noir from that vineyard. Quite frankly, I picked it too early. It is a big wine, with lots of fruit, but substantial and tough tannins. I still hold out hope that the tannins will fade but I am starting to think it will always be somewhat out of balance. At that price it is probably worth a shot but plan on decanting it and having it with a substantial hunk'o'meat.
The 2004 is definitely more balanced and a much better representation of what we are trying to accomplish now with Pinot Noir.
Hope that helps.
Adam Lee
Siduri Wines | | | |
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David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
Master Sommelier
Posts:15701
| | 02/15/2006 7:12 PM |
| | There you go Andrew. Right from the horse's a.. mouth. | | | |
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Andrew
Grape Destemmer
Posts:77
| | 02/15/2006 8:29 PM |
| Thanks for the info.
Youre right David, cant beat that. | | | |
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Adam Lee
Grape Stomper
Posts:142
| | 02/16/2006 12:10 AM |
| Definitely resemble that remark!
Adam | | | |
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