David Niederauer  
Los Gatos, CA
Master Sommelier
Posts: 15756
 | | 01-18-2004 04:29 AM |
| 2001 Chateau de Beaucastel CDP
I can't believe this doesn't have a tasting note. Have I done something wrong opening this so soon? Well, it was just a 375ml. and I have a dozen or so.
Huge nose of roses, truffles, briar and cigar box. Beautiful deep dark opaque garnet color that sparkles rosey when swirled. Wonder filling mouth feel explodes with sweet red licorice and blackberries. Great balance; just the perfect amount of acid for a good food wine. dn95 (socks rolled up and down once). And it will get better. | | |
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Seek
Upstate NY
Wine Thief
Posts: 2772
| | 01-18-2004 12:59 PM |
| | STW and I plowed through a 375ml of this back in December. I took no notes, but sure felt glad I bought heavy on this. They will sleep for a good 10-12 years before I get into the 750's and who knows how much longer for the Magnum. I would give it an outstanding score based on it's very early showing. | | | |
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David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
Master Sommelier
Posts: 15756
| | 01-18-2004 03:02 PM |
| This is called "one-up-man-ship" Seek...
So the 750s and Magnum should rest for 10 years. How long should I wait to drink my 3L? | | | |
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Dr_Tannin
Barrel Sampler
Posts: 2498
| | 01-18-2004 04:36 PM |
| Were these long socks?
The true test of WOW.
Retail price? Availability? | | | |
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David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
Master Sommelier
Posts: 15756
| | 01-18-2004 10:43 PM |
| $25
$50
$100
$285
I bought 'em all  | | | |
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Tim
Barrel Filler
Posts: 1465
| | 01-19-2004 01:12 AM |
| | Thanks for the TN's Davidn and Seek, hmmm, I haven't bought any wine today... | | | |
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ChangeMe
Barrel Filler
Posts: 1210
| | 01-19-2004 06:20 PM |
| | This is excellent. Very Very primary. Even a little grapey when first out of the bottle (375). Goes through many stages over eight hours in a decanter- some fruity and spicey, some tannic and hard. Long life ahead of this beau. | | | |
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Doc
London, UK
Grape Puncher
Posts: 741
| | 02-01-2004 03:18 AM |
| Good prices, DavidN, especially for the mags.
I'm letting my 750s rest for at least 10 yrs, but thanks for the TN.
Doc | | | |
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jason
Napa Valley
Wine Addict
Posts: 6837
| | 03-16-2004 08:45 PM |
| | Same deal as the Rudd....available at $49 out here. Will be in the mainland in 2.5 weeks and would be happy to pick up and deliver to anyone interested. | | | |
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ItalianWino
Grape Fermenter
Posts: 619
| | 03-17-2004 07:27 PM |
| Aloha J,
I am very interested in getting some of this at the price you quoted. Email me at justinhome@msn.com, or Private Message me. Thanks.
IW | | | |
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Zeke Boston
Grape Sorter
Posts: 341
| | 04-22-2004 06:59 PM |
| We had three bottles of this (me and four other) at dinner at the Capital Grille in Boston, restaurant price was ~$100/bottle. This stuff is going to be amazing and drinks great now. ZB-96+points
I've got to find some. Does anyone know where I can find some of this at a reasonable price? Anyone had a significant amout of this stuff that they would be willing to sell or trade? Thanks | | | |
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Eric Mottram
Grape Sorter
Posts: 261
| | 04-22-2004 07:10 PM |
| fYI spectator just rated this 91 points and listed retail at $90
here is a list of retailers from wine access..the best price here is $57.99 per not sure if they give case discounts.
Wine access | | | |
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DdB
Barrel Filler
Posts: 1452
| | 04-22-2004 08:17 PM |
| Permier Cru has it on pre-arrival for $60:
Premier Cru
Spec's in Houston has it in stock for $62:
Spec's | | | |
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Doc
London, UK
Grape Puncher
Posts: 741
| | 06-10-2004 05:22 PM |
| What's up with the WS rating? I saw that also yesterday. Nothing wrong with a 91pt wine, but this is the lowest rating that I have seen anyone give it. At any rate, I am laying my stock down for awhile.
Doc | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts: 11169
| | 06-10-2004 09:36 PM |
| | Yeah, like 15-20 years. Sorry, I am unable to understand anybody who knows the evolution of Beaucastel drinking this wine now. | | | |
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ChangeMe
Grape Sorter
Posts: 307
| | 06-11-2004 01:37 AM |
| | i was only able to get 2 of them. with such a small quantity, i have the first one set for 2020. does that sound about right board-o? | | | |
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Eric White 
San Ramon, CA
Advanced Sommelier
Posts: 9425
| | 06-11-2004 02:33 AM |
| Quote:
Yeah, like 15-20 years. Sorry, I am unable to understand anybody who knows the evolution of Beaucastel drinking this wine now.
Sorry Board-O, while this has been hashed and re-hashed, there is as much enjoyment to gain out of quality young CdP as there is properly aged CdP - they are simply different wines entirely. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with enjoying them on both sides of the wines spectrum. | | | 2008: the end of an error | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts: 11169
| | 06-11-2004 02:49 AM |
| | Sorry, Eric, I don't buy that at all. I understand many people here like to drink them young. Fine. Enjoy them, but if you're trying to convince me it's not a serious mistake, you're wasting your breath, or well, your finger energy. The people I know who are most wine knowledgeable and I have discussed this many times, and I see so many newbie mistakes here and other the other wine boards that we just laugh at them. I wasn't above those newbie mistakes; I made them too, but as these wines matured, I learned from my mistakes. That's what distinguishes humans from other species- our ability to learn from stimuli other than instinct. Without any personal insult intended, I regard drinking 2001 Beaucastel now as major amusement. Drink up! | | | |
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Eric White
San Ramon, CA
Advanced Sommelier
Posts: 9425
| | 06-11-2004 03:03 AM |
| | Board-O, I'll never get drawn into a drink 'em young, drink 'em old arguement with you, as I well know where you stand and respect your position, but let me give you another example. I know you enjoy your Zinfandel young, as do I. There are those that insist Zinfandel improves with age, that as it looses that primary fruit it gains complexity, secondary nuance, and becomes almost Bordeaux-like. Just because I prefer that burst of vibrant fruit Zin offers in it's youth, who am I to say they are mistaken for letting that fade and enjjoying then in an entirely different light? Simply two different wines. | | | 2008: the end of an error | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts: 11169
| | 06-11-2004 03:25 AM |
| | There's a big difference between drinking a young, non- or minimally-tannic fruit forward wine in it's youth and drinking a closed Rhone wine before it's had a chance to open. To each his own, I guess, but I'm betting when you're an old fart like me, you'll be letting your Rhones age. | | | |
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