juggernt
Tampa, FL, USA
Wine Bottler
Posts:3420
 | | 10/16/2004 2:35 PM |
| - 2001 E. Guigal Châteauneuf-du-Pape - Châteauneuf-du-Pape, Southern Rhône, Rhône, France (10/15/2004)
Name: E. Guigal CdP '01
Nose: A spring barnyard, sweet and earthy
Palette: The earthy character carried over to the palette. Silky smooth but not much fruit.
Comments: Unbalanced but a pleasant drink. I would only have it with the lightest of foods.
88 pts (88 pts.)
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:12891
| | 10/16/2004 3:01 PM |
| wow, i don't know if i should drink or sell my only 2 bottles  | | | |
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Blair Ridley
Wine Labeler
Posts:3980
| | 10/16/2004 6:30 PM |
| | How long did you decant this bottle? In general, I've found most 2001 CdPs have been much tighter than their 2000 counterparts. | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:11169
| | 10/16/2004 11:04 PM |
| | The fruit in that wine will take 15 years to emerge. Surprisingly enough, with Rhones, the fruit is often closed in when young. A 20 year old Beaucastel has more fruit than a 4 year old Beaucastel. Forget about that wine for another decade. | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:12891
| | 10/17/2004 4:08 AM |
| board-o,
please see my question under 2001 charvin thread. | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:12891
| | 05/24/2005 2:31 AM |
| board-o,
quick question as i found these 2 bottles last night in the cellar. is this wine like a typical cdp or is it for earlier drinking? as per parker's notes i have my 1st one set for this year but i only have 2. if you only had 2 when would you open the 1st one? would 2010 be more like it? | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:11169
| | 05/24/2005 2:43 AM |
| Anthony, I haven't had the 2001 Guigal CdP yet, and I won;t for a long time. From a great, long-lived vintage like 2001, that wine won't peak til about 2015-2020. Yes, it'll be drinkable earlier, but the single biggest mistake I've made in my wine history is drinlking my CdPs too young. Because they're not terribly tannic, they taste fairly ready to drink, but they blossom with age. It's almost inconceivable how the fruit actually develops with time. Some of the ripest, rich, juicy fruit flavors I've ever had in a wine came from 20 year old CdPs.
Parker gave this vintage 96 points and said the wines will be long-lived. With two bottles, I hope I'd wait to 2015 for the first, but the flesh is weak.
I know I've mentioned this before, but I bought a case of 1978 Vieux Telegraphe at release. Parker had given this a 94. I tried a bottle and it tasted ready to drink but blah. I thought to myself, "How the hell does this guy score this wine a 94?" So I waited a couple of years and had another with similar results. Every year or two I had another and still wondered how Parker gave it a 94. Then, when we had bottle 11, I was wowed. The fruit and complexity exploded from the wine. I wasted 10 of my 12 bottles. | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:12891
| | 05/24/2005 3:02 AM |
| | thanks, i will adjust with that in mind. i have already adjusted my other cdp's based on this info but this one fell through the cracks. i need to keep my eye out for some more cdp's, thanks for the help as usual. | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:11169
| | 05/24/2005 3:17 AM |
| | I'll give you an idea of how I try to learn from my mistakes. I bought 6 bottles of the 1990 Beaucastel (RP-99) at release. We're taking a bottle with us to the inn this coming weekend. It will be the first one of the six I'll open. I figure this one will still be a little young. | | | |
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Fred McTaggart
Grape Picker
Posts:17
| | 05/24/2005 5:36 PM |
| Boardo: The 1978 Vieux Telegraphe is, from all accounts I've read, an incredible wine. I haven't been fortunate enough to try it myself. I bought most vintages of VT from 1979 through 1988, however, and I was less impressed by the development of these vintages over time. I had the 1979 a couple of years ago, and it was good but a bit disappointing. I have a few bottles of 1981, 1983 and 1985 left and I hope I'm pleasantly surprised when I open them. The last time I tried them, they were good but disappointing. The 1984 was clearly over the hill a decade ago. The 1988 I haven't tried but I suspect it needs more time. I have high hopes for it.
I've also been disappointed, though less so, with Beaucastels I've tried from the 1980s--1983, 1985 and 1986. I think the 1985 was too young when I tried it, and I'm looking forward to the next bottle. When I tasted it young, the 1985 Beaucastel was one of the best wines I've ever tasted. The 1986 was close behind, but neither wine has ever come close to showing as much since then...and I don't think the 1986 ever will. I'm eager to hear about 1990; I'm still sitting on my 1988s and 1990s.
Generally though, I have a hard time making generalizations about CdP. Beaucastel and Pegau are certainly long agers but many others seem to me to show their best at 12 to 18 years after the vintage. Some wines such as 1990 Grand Tinel and 1998 Fortia seem to show nearly everything they've got from day one. The Grand Tinel seems to be fading a bit (or entering a different stage) now. But Fortia is another CdP with a reputation for aging. | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:11169
| | 05/25/2005 2:37 AM |
| The 1986 Beaucastel hasn't opened yet. I'm waiting a couple of years to try it again.
I'll post notes on the 1990 after the weekend. | | | |
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Dick W.
Barrel Filler
Posts:1081
| | 06/03/2005 12:35 AM |
| | thanks for the insight on this CNdP BO. i had one of these this month and thought it was a pleasant enough, but nothing special. damn, with only 98 and newer CNdP, i've got major drinking window issues going forward. | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:11169
| | 06/03/2005 1:38 AM |
| One thing that has fooled me in the past about CdPs is that they are normally not terribly tannic wines and may seem "approachable" in their youth. I choose not to equate "approachable" with "ready," though I seem to be in a minority here. My aim is not to drink a wine when it is merely "approachable," but when it is as close to ideal as I can get.
Don't be fooled by a young CdP that seems ready but blah when it's young. It's just not really ready. | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:12891
| | 06/03/2005 1:50 AM |
| board-o,
that reminds me of a conversation i had with bud one day. when the 02 pride cab was released everyone said it was more approachable than the 01. okay so its more approachable. so what? it still needs a few years to come together. i think the word approachable is useless. its like saying a alligator is approachable, but who in the hell besides that crazy aussie guy wants to do it  | | | |
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ChangeMe
Master of Wine
Posts:11169
| | 06/03/2005 1:51 AM |
| Ummmm. No, I better not. | | | |
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Seek
Upstate NY
Wine Thief
Posts:2772
| | 06/03/2005 1:03 PM |
| | Approachable and Mature are two uniquely differing terms each with merit and a place for proper use. One is able to enjoy both "approachable" and "ready" wines. | | | |
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GreenDrazi
Atlanta, GA
Grape Puncher
Posts:938
| | 10/25/2005 2:24 AM |
| 2001 E. Guigal Châteauneuf-du-Pape – Rhône, France $40/$38.48
Decanted 45 minutes. Good nose of red fruits, leather and pepper. Rich, gamey flavors of blackcherry, blackberry and some raspberry which turned cranberry at times along with plum and pepper. Good acidity. Started just a touch thin with a glycerol surface but gained really good depth the longer it was decanted. Palate was smooth yet bright at the start, had a full bodied mid-point and opened up a little too much on the lengthy, mineral finish. S91 10/24/2005 | | | |
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futronic
Toronto, Canada
Wine Bottler
Posts:3214
| | 04/09/2006 12:53 PM |
| | Medium ruby colour. Perfumed nose, with roses, red currant, game, and earth. Medium-bodied, with replays from nose. Nice finish, 30-35s. 91 points with upside (10/22/2005). | | | |
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wineismylife
Arlington, TX
Master of Wine
Posts:12263
| | 01/22/2007 3:28 PM |
| 2001 E. Guigal Châteauneuf-du-Pape - France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape (1/21/2007)
WIML87-88,WA92,WS93
Tasted January 21, 2007 at home. Opened and decanted about 30-45 minutes before serving in a Spiegelau Authentis Magnum glass. Light garnet to garnet color in the glass, slightly opaque. Nose of leather, smoke and brown spices; not much in the way of fruit on the nose. Flavors of red berries, celery seed, eucalyptus and a slighty metallic/medicinal finish. Light to medium acidity, tannins and body. I’ll likely wait another year or so before opening my next bottle. I can’t say I was impressed with this bottling. (87 pts.) | |
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Al_ksyrah
Barrel Filler
Posts:1046
| | 01/22/2007 5:11 PM |
| It's never impressed me either. I think the CdP is one of Guigal's weakest wines.
-Al | | | |
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