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Winetex

Austin, Texas

Master of Wine
Posts:10796

12/29/2006 11:07 PM
Has anyone been biting on the 2005 Burgundy futures (pre-arrivals, whatever you want to call them). Premier Cru sent out another email today with some interesting producers. With no professional reviews it's kind of a crap shoot right now but I'm buying a few from producers I like. The prices are all over the place from extreme to reasonable. And man that Laurent makes a bunch of different wines. People have already entered some purchases in CellarTracker so I know I'm not alone. no affiliation just a pretty big list of wines ********************************************************************* Ambroise 2005 Bourgogne Pinot Noir 12.99 2005 Clos Vougeot 79.95 2005 Corton Rognet 79.95 2005 Echezeaux 79.95 2005 Nuits Argillieres 49.99 2005 Nuits Corvees Paget 45.00 2005 Nuits Didiers 39.99 2005 Nuits Rue de Chaux 45.00 Boillot, Henri 2005 Beaune Epenottes 49.99 2005 Savigny Vergelesses 45.00 2005 Volnay Clos Rougeottes 64.99 Boillot, Jean 2005 Beaune Clos du Roi 44.99 2005 Volnay Chevrets 59.95 2005 Volnay Fremiets 59.95 Bouchard 2005 Corton 69.95 Chevillon, Robert 2005 Nuits St Georges Bousselots 49.95 2005 Nuits St Georges Chaignots 49.95 2005 Nuits St Georges Perrieres 51.99 2005 Nuits St Georges Pruliers 51.99 2005 Nuits St Georges Roncieres 49.95 2005 Nuits St Georges V.V. 38.99 Confuron, J.J. 2005 Chambolle Musigny 1er Cr 55.00 2005 Clos Vougeot 95.00 2005 Nuits Boudots 65.00 2005 Nuits Chaboeufs 49.95 2005 Nuits Fleurieres 36.99 2005 Vosne Romanee Beauxmonts 65.00 Domaine des Lambrays 2005 Clos des Lambrays 89.99 2005 Clos des Lambrays 6 Liter 729.95 2005 Clos des Lambrays Magnum 185.00 Drouhin, Joseph 2005 Charmes Chambertin 89.95 2005 Clos de la Roche 85.00 2005 Clos St Denis 79.95 2005 Clos Vougeot 99.95 2005 Echezeaux 89.95 Geantet-Pansiot 2005 Chambolle Musigny V.V. 37.99 2005 Charmes Chambertin 99.95 2005 Gevrey en Champs 47.50 2005 Gevrey V.V. 36.99 Jadot, Louis 2005 Beaune Chouacheux 34.50 2005 Beaune Clos de Couchereaux 34.50 2005 Beaune Greves 33.50 2005 Beaune Theurons 34.50 2005 Chambolle Les Baudes 79.95 2005 Chambolle Musigny 39.95 2005 Chapelle Chambertin 149.95 2005 Charmes Chambertin 109.95 2005 Chassagne Morgeot Rouge 37.50 2005 Clos de Beze 199.95 2005 Clos de la Roche 115.00 2005 Clos Vougeot 105.00 2005 Corton Greves 79.95 2005 Corton Pougets 79.95 2005 Cote de Nuits Villages 'Vaucrains' 21.95 2005 Echezeaux 125.00 2005 Gevrey Clos St. Jacques 105.00 2005 Gevrey Estournelles St. Jacques 79.95 2005 Gevrey Lavaux St. Jacques 69.95 2005 Grands Echezeaux 229.95 2005 Latricieres Chambertin 129.95 2005 Mazis Chambertin 155.00 2005 Pernand Vergelesses Clos de la Croix de Pierre 29.50 2005 Pommard Clos de la Commaraine 47.50 2005 Savigny La Dominode 31.99 2005 Volnay Clos de Chenes 52.99 2005 Volnay Clos de la Barre 52.99 2005 Vosne Romanee 39.95 2005 Vosne Romanee Petits Monts 85.00 Laurent, Dominique 2005 Beaune 1er Cru V.V. 28.99 2005 Beaune Greves V.V. 45.99 2005 Beaune No 11 V.V. 22.99 2005 Bonnes Mares V.V. 169.95 2005 Bourgogne No. 1 V.V. 14.99 2005 Bourgogne Pinot Noir V.V. 12.99 2005 Chambertin V.V. 225.00 2005 Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru V.V. 35.99 2005 Chambolle Musigny Charmes V.V. 59.99 2005 Chambolle Musigny Sentiers 1er Cru Tradition 31.99 2005 Chambolle Musigny Tradition 25.99 2005 Chambolle Musigny V.V. 27.99 2005 Charmes Chambertin V.V. 69.95 2005 Chorey les Beaune V.V. 17.99 2005 Clos de Beze V.V. 225.00 2005 Clos de la Roche Tradition 55.00 2005 Clos de la Roche V.V. 76.99 2005 Clos St Denis V.V. 69.95 2005 Clos Vougeot Tradition 55.00 2005 Clos Vougeot V.V. 79.95 2005 Corton V.V. 59.95 2005 Cotes de Nuits Villages Tradition 14.99 2005 Echezeaux V.V. 79.95 2005 Gevrey Cazetiers V.V. 45.00 2005 Gevrey Chambertin 1er Cru Tradition 27.99 2005 Gevrey Chambertin 1er Cru V.V. 35.99 2005 Gevrey Chambertin Tradition 24.99 2005 Gevrey Chambertin V.V. 28.99 2005 Gevrey Clos St. Jacques V.V. 85.00 2005 Gevrey Estournelles St. Jacques V.V. 45.00 2005 Grands Echezeaux V.V. 225.00 2005 Latricieres Chambertin V.V. 75.00 2005 Marsannay Clos du Roy V.V. 14.99 2005 Mazis Chambertin B V.V. 75.00 2005 Morey Clos Sorbes V.V. 31.99 2005 Morey St. Denis V.V. 22.99 2005 Nuits les St Georges V.V. 69.99 2005 Nuits Rue de Chaux 1er Cru Tradition 31.99 2005 Nuits Vaucrains V.V. 55.00 2005 Pommard Charmots V.V. 55.00 2005 Pommard Epenots V.V. 55.00 2005 Pommard Rugiens V.V. 55.00 2005 Pommard V.V. 28.99 2005 Savigny les Beaune V.V. 21.99 2005 Volnay Clos des Chenes V.V. 55.00 2005 Volnay Santenots V.V. 32.99 2005 Volnay V.V. 24.99 2005 Vosne Romanee Beauxmonts V.V. 55.00 2005 Vosne Romanee Reignots V.V. 73.99 2005 Vosne Romanee Rouges 1er Cru Tradition 33.99 2005 Vosne Romanee Suchots V.V. 55.00 2005 Vosne Romanee Tradition 25.99 2005 Vosne Romanee V.V. 29.99 Magnien, Frederick 2005 Chambolle les Baudes 36.99 2005 Chambolle Musigny Borniques 41.99 2005 Chambolle Musigny Charmes 45.00 2005 Chambolle Musigny V.V. 27.99 2005 Charmes Chambertin 59.95 2005 Clos de Beze 119.95 2005 Corton Coeur de Fer 41.99 2005 Echezeaux 75.00 2005 Gevrey Aux Echezeaux 27.99 2005 Gevrey Cazetiers 45.00 2005 Gevrey Chambertin V.V. 24.99 2005 Gevrey Lavaux St Jacques 45.00 2005 Latricieres Chambertin 89.95 2005 Morey Blanchard 29.99 2005 Morey Clos Sorbe 31.99 2005 Morey Ruchottes 36.99 2005 Nuits 1er Cru Coeur de Roches 36.99 2005 Vosne Romanee Beauxmonts 49.95 2005 Vosne Romanee Suchots 49.95 2005 Vosne Romanee V.V. 27.99 Pousse d'Or 2005 Corton Bressandes 69.99 2005 Corton Bressandes Magnum 145.00 2005 Corton Clos du Roi 69.99 2005 Corton Clos du Roi Magnum 145.00 2005 Volnay Bousse d'Or 75.00 2005 Volnay Caillerets 64.99 2005 Volnay Caillerets 59.95 2005 Volnay Caillerets 1/2 31.99 2005 Volnay Caillerets 60 Ouvrees Magnum 149.95 2005 Volnay Clos d'Audignac 59.99 2005 Volnay Clos d'Audignac Magnum 125.00 2005 Volnay Clos de la Bousse d'Or 69.99 2005 Volnay Clos de la Bousse Magnum 149.95 Prieur, Jacques 2005 Chambertin 159.95 2005 Clos Vougeot 119.95 2005 Corton Bressandes 119.95 2005 Musigny 299.95 Raphet 2005 Bourgogne Passetoutgrain 7.99 2005 Bourgogne Rouge 14.99 2005 Chambolle Musigny 38.99 2005 Charmes Chambertin 79.95 2005 Clos de Beze 229.95 2005 Clos de la Roche 99.95 2005 Clos Vougeot 89.95 2005 Clos Vougeot V.V. 149.95 2005 Gevrey Combottes 49.95 2005 Morey St Denis Millandes 49.95 Roty, Joseph 2005 Charmes Chambertin V.V. 289.95

Al_ksyrah

Barrel Filler
Posts:1046

12/30/2006 2:26 AM
There are some good prices in there. But I have the darndest time recognizing them. -Al

Dave

Wine Thief
Posts:2899

12/30/2006 3:03 AM
Thus far I've only bought the Jadot Bonnes Mares. Waiting for more guidance before I explore further.

Blair Ridley User is Offline

Wine Labeler
Posts:3980

12/30/2006 1:37 PM
I picked up some Pousse d'Or a few weeks ago at a slightly lower price point (also from PC). Haven't bought anything else though as the producers I target haven't been pre-sold yet. Wake me up when Mugnier, Roumier, D'Angerville, Fourrier etc start rolling in.

Winetex

Austin, Texas

Master of Wine
Posts:10796

12/30/2006 4:01 PM
I bought some Pousse d'Or and a bit of Chevillon.

Claret

Reno, NV

Grape Sorter
Posts:249

12/30/2006 6:43 PM
I picked up a few bottles of Dominique Laurent for seemingly modest prices in the context of a reputed expensive vintage.

Wineaux

New Orleans, LA

Barrel Filler
Posts:1414

12/31/2006 10:07 PM
Joblot only so far. We'll see whether any must have wines get offered to me at a price I can stomach. Otherwise, I'll just sit back and wait for my 2002s to mature.

Dave

Wine Thief
Posts:2899

01/05/2007 2:33 AM
I decided that I couldn't wait any longer on 2 of the Drouhins and the Lambrays. The nice thing about PC though is that they have a way of restocking.

Winetex

Austin, Texas

Master of Wine
Posts:10796

01/05/2007 1:49 PM
It's pretty easy to restock when you haven't purchased the wines yet.

Blair Ridley User is Offline

Wine Labeler
Posts:3980

01/06/2007 2:51 AM
I broke down for a few bottles of 2005 Fevre Chablis (Les Clos and Les Preuses). Will hold off again until I see some more of my favorite producers released on pre-arrival...

Dave

Wine Thief
Posts:2899

01/06/2007 4:37 AM
Quote: few bottles of 2005 Fevre Chablis (Les Clos and Les Preuses). Those don't count do they? Ok, I bought a few of those too.

Dave

Wine Thief
Posts:2899

01/27/2007 4:07 PM
With the release of Burghound's 2005 issue it is a good time to resurrect this thread. The good news is that 2005 is billed as a vintage with great wines from top to bottom ("Arguably the Best Vintage in a Generation"). I intend to shift a large percentage of my wine buying budget to 2005 Burgundies over the next few years for fear that this may be my last chance (when the next Vintage of the Century rolls around 3 years from now I will be 50!). It will be interesting to see whether these pre-release prices will hold or whether the next tranches will be cheaper. There are a lot of Burgundy aficionados on the Parker board, but most of them won't even discuss good wines for fear they will disappear from the marketplace (I can understand not discussing source of supply). People on this Board are very willing to share information, but there seem to be fewer Burgundy lovers. Here is what I've bought so far. Criticism appreciated. Bouchard Père et Fils (all from the Hospice buying group) - Gevrey-Chambertin Lavaux St. Jacques 1er Cru - Nuits St. Georges Les Damodes 1er Cru - Nuits St. Georges Les Didiers Cuvée Jacques Duret 1er Cru Joseph Drouhin - Charmes-Chambertin - Clos de Vougeot - Clos St. Denis Frederic Esmonin - Gevrey-Chambertin Estournelles-St.-Jacques 1er Cru William Fèvre - Les Clos - Les Preuses Francois Lamarche - Grands-Echezeaux - La Grande Rue Monopole Geantet-Pansiot - Gevrey-Chambertin en Champs Alain Hudelot-Noellat - Clos de Vougeot - Vosne-Romanée Les Beaumonts 1er Cru - Vosne-Romanée Les Malconsorts 1er Cru Louis Jadot - Bonnes Mares Domaine des Lambrays - Clos des Lambrays Frédéric Magnien - Chambolle-Musigny Les Charmes 1er Cru Vieilles Vignes - Gevrey-Chambertin Les Cazetiers 1er Cru Marquis d'Angerville - Volnay Champans 1er Cru Jacques-Frederic Mugnier - Nuits St. Georges Clos de la Maréchale 1er Cru Monopole

Winetex

Austin, Texas

Master of Wine
Posts:10796

01/27/2007 5:08 PM
The d'Angervilles blew out of Premier Cru yesterday. I was unsuccessful in my attempts to buy some.

Dave

Wine Thief
Posts:2899

01/27/2007 5:31 PM
I saw the 2005 d'Angervilles come through on the RSS feed earlier in the week. I wanted to buy some Clos de Ducs, but they sold out within minutes. I think that things will get worse now that the Burghound issue is out. A lot of buyers were on the fence waiting for the scores.

PourQue

Barrel Racker
Posts:1812

01/27/2007 6:26 PM
So far, I've bought... 2005 Clos St. Denis, Remoissenet, 750 ml 3 2005 Chambertin V.V., Laurent, 750 ml 3 2005 Volnay Caillerets 60 Ouvrees Magnum, Pousse d'Or, 1.5 L 2 2005 Pommard 1er Cru, Armand, 750 ml 3 2005 Clos de Beze, F. Magnien, 750 ml 4 2005 Corton Clos du Roi, Pousse d'Or, 750 ml 4 2005 Clos de Beze V.V., Laurent, 750 ml 3 2005 Volnay Caillerets, Pousse d'Or, 750 ml 4 2005 Latricieres Chambertin V.V., Laurent, 750 ml 4 2005 Bonnes Mares V.V., Laurent, 750 ml 3 2005 Vosne Romanee Reignots V.V., Laurent, 750 ml 4 2005 Corton Bressandes, Pousse d'Or, 750 ml 4 2005 Borniques, F. Magnien, 750 ml 3 2005 Preuses, Fevre, 750 ml 3 2005 Preuses, Fevre, 750 ml 3 2005 Preuses, Les Clos, 750 ml 3

ojeffso

warren, new jersey

Wine Lover
Posts:4877

01/27/2007 8:10 PM
so far just 2005 fevre chablis les clos 2005 fevre chablis les preuses 2005 jadot bonnes mares 2005 jadot gevrey chambertin csj 2005 jadot chambertin clos de beze i am not overly concerned about availabilty. unless you are only seeking the trophies, there will be an abundance of excellent wines. even producers who do do not usually score high with meadows did so in 2005.

Wineaux

New Orleans, LA

Barrel Filler
Posts:1414

01/28/2007 3:36 AM
Agreed. "Quite simply the best top to bottom vintage I have ever seen, period, full stop." Those are pretty strong words. I'll likely buy some top level premier crus and grand crus but don't have the sense of urgency I've felt in the past thanks to the large amount (for me) of upper level 2002 and prior vintage purchases I made. So many of my purchases will be more moderately priced red burgs to satisfy my habit while my prior vintage grand crus and I age together. And frankly, with the prices many of these 2005s are sporting, I'll spend more of my time searching for those older high quality burgs that appear on the market from time to time. So...., here are my only purchases so far: 12 Joblot Givry Pied de Chaume 6 F Magnien Chambolle-Musigny Vieilles Vignes Now, of course, I reserve the right to make an impulse purchase completely inconsistent with these comments as soon as an appealing email offer comes in.

Wineaux

New Orleans, LA

Barrel Filler
Posts:1414

01/28/2007 3:40 AM
Quote: So far, I've bought... 2005 Clos St. Denis, Remoissenet, 750 ml 3 2005 Chambertin V.V., Laurent, 750 ml 3 2005 Volnay Caillerets 60 Ouvrees Magnum, Pousse d'Or, 1.5 L 2 2005 Pommard 1er Cru, Armand, 750 ml 3 2005 Clos de Beze, F. Magnien, 750 ml 4 2005 Corton Clos du Roi, Pousse d'Or, 750 ml 4 2005 Clos de Beze V.V., Laurent, 750 ml 3 2005 Volnay Caillerets, Pousse d'Or, 750 ml 4 2005 Latricieres Chambertin V.V., Laurent, 750 ml 4 2005 Bonnes Mares V.V., Laurent, 750 ml 3 2005 Vosne Romanee Reignots V.V., Laurent, 750 ml 4 2005 Corton Bressandes, Pousse d'Or, 750 ml 4 2005 Borniques, F. Magnien, 750 ml 3 Looks like Pourque has a Premier Cru habit.

MTPockets

Grape Puncher
Posts:951

01/28/2007 4:28 AM
Buying Burgundy based on a critics barrels scores is one of the biggest leaps of faith in wine acquisition. If you've spent any time in the cold damp cellars of the Cote d'Or tasting from barrels, you know how much variation there is from barrel to barrel. And we all know that vintners let the critics taste from any barrel of the critics choosing.......not. I may pay more but I prefer to buy Burgundy based on what I taste from bottle. Caveat emptor.

PourQue

Barrel Racker
Posts:1812

01/28/2007 2:36 PM
LOL...I CAN'T STOP. THE D#MN EMAILS ARE LIKE CRACK

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