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Serge Dracula Slayer User is Offline

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09/02/2006 10:46 AM
That is it - this is official now - I will no longer go to the winewatch wine tastings. The wines are double decanted at 2 pm, put in decanter at 4 pm, one ounce is poured at 6:15 pm and we get to the table at 7:30 pm. By that time, all "meat" and the essense of the wine is gone, no nose whatsoever and for me it's like licking the bones and ALL bare bones practically taste alike. Few wines were poured right from the bottle for comparission and what a difference that makes! In 15 mins sitting in the glass they showed the best! Oxygen just kills all the nuances. Anyway..... 2003 Bordeaux Tasting Flight One: El Cheapo Chateau Chavin, St Emilion Balanced, sweet tannins, good, but falls apart with food Chateau Cantemerle, Haut Medoc Not bad, good acidity, considering the vintage. Parker was right, it was kinda 4 points less than the first one. Alter Ego de Chateau Palmer, Margaux worth the money, nice aroma with vigorous swirl, very slight bitterness on the finish, should be left alone for a few years, Rob. Chateau Du Tertre, Margaux Smoky, and faaaar from the wine I tasted last week from the bottle. Oxygen has changed this baby beyond recognition. Flight Two: "Myles, I am buying f---ing Merlot, you can leave" Chateau Ormes De Pez, St Estephe too tannic, bitter finish, not my cup of tea Chateau D'Armailhac, Pauillac I have a few bottles of it in the cellar, wil revisit the wine in 7 years. Baby fat is gone now, and the wine is not very attractive at it's present stage. Chateau Peby Faugeres, St Emilion My WOTF. My first 100% Merlot wine and I was overwhelmed by the power of it, but in a good way. This wine susrvived vigorous oxygenation process and even was better compared to the one "straight from the bottle". Couldn't resist and placed an order for 3 bottles to open them in 10 years. This one will probably outlive me. Chateau Le Gay, Pomerol Smokey and bitter. Just like my ex wives. Pass. Flight Three: "I want my money back!" Chateau Pichon Baron We'll revisit it today at www.winewatch.com brown bag tasting, one of the guys is bringing it over, as he says that what we had and what he had at home are 2 different wines, oxygen kills the "meat"! Chateau Cos D'Estournel, St. Estephe from magnum I am glad I have 2 bottles in the cellar, this one is a sure winner. I don't know when this one will reach it's peak, remarkable wine. My WOTN and another oxygenation survivor. Chateau Haut Brion, Pessac Leognan I don't know what I was tasting. Closed, stripped to the bone, I just can't beleive that this was first growth wine, but after the tasting it in that form, I doubt very much I'd shekel $350 for a bottle. Chateau Mouton Rothschild, Pauilac There is no difference in taste of licking the bones of Marylin Monroe, Nephertity or Queen Sheba - the bone is a bone is a bone. I HOPE the disapointment was caused by oxygen and nothing else, I have 3 bottles in the cellar and all I can think at the moment is: "I want my money back!!!" #1 reason we went for this tasting was: it was cheaper to taste 12 wines than pop a cork of Mouton alone, but I still have more questions than answers due to Oxygen and I can't be sure what exactly was I tasting, the wine or overoxygenation wine. I guess there is no short cuts in the hobby we've chosen.

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ojeffso

warren, new jersey

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09/02/2006 12:54 PM
i tend to agree with you serge, especially looking at that list. many of those 2003 bordeaux need no more than 30-45 minutes of air.

Serge Dracula Slayer User is Offline

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09/02/2006 1:58 PM
Jeff, I tried to address the issue with the tasting organizers, and I was not alone. But.....I was "over ruled" like in My Cousin Vinny! Quote: Judge: That is a lucid, intelligent, well-thought out objection. Vinny: Thank you, your honor Judge: Overruled. Therefore, as a good American, I am voting with my feet. There are few tasting I was dying to attend: Leoville Las Cases Vertical Tasting and Dinner "2000, 1998, 1989, 1986, 1983, 1982, 1979, 1978, 1966 & 1945." and Cos D’Estournel Vertical Tasting "This vertical tasting includes the following vintages: 2002, 2001, 2000, 1996, 1986, 1985, 1979, 1978, 1975, 1970, 1966, 1945" but I will not, as I do NOT think that the ounce of wine sitting in the glass for 2-3 hours, decanted or not, will represent the REAL taste of the wine. I HATE pissing away the money for a "wine ghost chase".

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Daniel Posner User is Offline

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09/02/2006 9:18 PM
Serge, Seriously, 2003 Mouton SUCKS. I would dump it as fast you can.

Serge Dracula Slayer User is Offline

South Florida

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09/03/2006 1:05 PM
what about "collective wisdom"? http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=19025 Being an optimist in nature, I'll give it 10 years shot. Meanwhile.... I re-tasted '03 PB yesterday at winewatch.com "brown bag" tasting and my worst fears were confirmed- oxygen killed the wine, as the bottles of 96 and 03 we had yesterday had nose to die for.

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