Just got the mailer...

2004 Cab $95/bottle (24)
2004 Cab $225/magnum (1)
2004 The Sisters  $50/bottle (12)

If anyone is intersted in taking a few of either off my hands send PM. I'm located in Los Angeles.

Has anyone had a chance to taste either? Any feedback?


Thanks.

Just Ordered:
3*2004 Cab
3*2004 Sisters

4 and 4 for me.

Passing

Passing.  I like "buy and hold" cabs so this is a wine that I should probably start buying again.  No room in the budget this year.Â

no one has mentioned the free shipping... 2 day no less.

hey!!!! that's not fair!!!

Free shipping??? I thought that this was next to death by Mumba as far as Jones was concerned!!!

Just ask Brian Loring!!!

yeah. i doubt that Dan is happy about that decision since he has spoken against it. it gives people fodder to demonstrate how cool (read petty) they are....Some a**hole on ebob was really trying to give him hell about it and must have some serious personal problems to enjoy that so much.

i probably shouldn't have even mentioned it, but i for one am happy about it. I don't/didn't expect it, but it definitely makes a difference to me. those estate bottles are heavy...

does anybody have an idea about when should i drink my 02's?

Can anyone explain how the most "moderated" (read: "censored") board is always the one with the most obnoxious, vile, petulant posts?  I just read that thread and it sickened me.  And Eric: I must say that I was surprised and disappointed by your comment that "if he gave the go-ahead or not is largely irrelevant".  Of course it is relevant.  A hypocrite, by definition, is one who says one thing but does the opposite. But if one does not wield the power to commit the act of hypocrisy, then one cannot be a hypocrite.  I think Dan has made clear that he has a family interest (I think the phrase he used was "my wife and daughters have an interest") in the winery.  I bet if you do a search you will not find any admission that he has an interest in the business. So at best there might have been a "family discussion" about what to do about shipping.  The decision has been made by the decision makers.  How that process proceeded behind closed doors is none of our business.  If Dan suggested to others in his family that he thought that free shipping was a bad idea only to be overruled by the actual decision makers, he has no obligation to explain or admit to that. It is a personal business matter.  Mere participation on a wine board does not waive any sense of familial confidence or business proprietary privilege.  On the other hand, if he actually made the decision to go with free shipping, then all of this changes and a retraction from previous firmly-held beliefs is probably appropriate.  So  your comment that: "if he gave the go-ahead or not is largely irrelevant" could not be further from the truth.  If the "go-ahead" was not his doing, he has nothing to explain or reveal.  Now I leave it up to you to guess whether he: a) is not involved in the day-to-day operations of the winery and was not consulted on the decision; b) was consulted, advised against free shipping and was overruled; or c) wholeheartedly supported free shipping.   After you make your guess, then ask yourself again if he owes you or anyone else an explanation.

ah. now that i know who that guy is...it makes more sense.

i don't know dan personally. all i have to go on are his posts. from that data i would be surprised if he has any say in these types of decisions that he would suggest or otherwise be in favor of this policy given his public stance on the issue. if something changed his mind, ok, he knows what that was and he will work that into his experience and it is up to him whether or not he feels he wants to PM Brian or anyone else. that is a difficult thing to do sometimes.

it seems very probable to me that he still thinks it is a bad policy for California purchasers and the decision was made despite that. Would you open yourself to this type of contradiction if you could help it or unless you had an extrememly compelling reason? The latter would be interesting just because it would be nice to know what such a compelling reason was, economically/business-wise, but I would imagine it was not in his control...

ultimately though, I am confused as to why people think it might be his decision. I didn't realize that he played a big/active role in the management of the winery. from what i see on the website it is the Jones's and their daughters that make up the business. he is proud of the wine, but i didn't think he was very active in the details or the decision making other than being a "wine enthusiast" and getting advanced and frequent tastings. he may not distance his association but that doesn't mean that he is in charge. maybe i am incorrect (it has happened before and i readily admit it).

I think he does something else for a living

i think this is a non-issue, except that it makes if more tempting to order tasty (if pricey) wine for those of us on the east coast.

This whole thing seems to me to be much ado about nothing.  Isn't the eBob poster one of our own though?  This appears to be a VinoCellar dispute that has spilled over to eBob in a very ugly fashion.Â

I agree that Dan doesn't need to explain anything unless something has changed at JFW and he is now involved in the marketing and operations of the winery. My guess is that he is not.

Acctually a no longer VC poster who posts on Wino Depot

I'm on the fence. I have the 03 but I've been concentrating (or rather spending money) on PN these days.

In regards to the shipping: it's a tempest in a 750 ml.

Can you narrow that down to one person?Â

I like a lot of the people over on Wino Depot. That said, the BB should be renamed "IhateJonesWine.com". Or perhaps "IhateBrad.com". Lots of water under the bridge, with no clear moral high ground anywhere. I'm not taking sides, that is for sure.

Who says Brian doesn't post over here anymore? He is busy, but last posted in February. Maybe he is hoping the software issues here will get fixed

The eBob thread has been sanitized. Once again I missed the "action". eBob has become the new WS board. Based on Squires final comment, I have to guess that SeanR7 got into a funk.

Looks like the wines are the same price this year? Isn't the free shipping effectively a price-cutting move?

I passed on the 2003 after backing up the truck for 2002. If I can fit some in the budget I'll be buying some of the 2004s.