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03/07/2008 11:50 PM  
My father has asked me to find a 'classic' California Cabernet that might by some chance make a serious BDX collector realize that we can produce some great age worthy wines out here.  Wines I thought of are 35 Simi, 74 Heitz Marthas, 69 Chappellet, and so on...
 
Any ides would be great, price limit is probably around $750.
 
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03/07/2008 11:59 PM  
What has he had that he doesn't like?

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03/08/2008 12:06 AM  
And the reason why Ridge Monte Bello wasn't your automatic response was...? ;)

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03/08/2008 9:02 AM  
Monte Bello, Mayacamas, and Montelena and some of the 1st names that come to mind.

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03/08/2008 10:30 AM  
I would suggest 1974 or even 1975 Heitz Martha's vineyard.   These are both seriously compelling and are showing very well now.
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03/08/2008 11:29 AM  
Rather than risk an "off" or poorly stored bottle of old stuff, I'd buy a Harlan and show the BDX guy that CA makes seriously great wine in its own right that is delicious and not intended to be a BDX knock-off. Show him that this is what we do best.

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03/08/2008 11:51 AM  
I don't think Harlan is going to turn or really impress a dyed in the wool Bordeaux guy. With your budget for a single bottle I would definitely be looking for one of the old guard, or what was classic CA cab pre-early 1990's.
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03/08/2008 2:22 PM  
I think JimmyV asks the right question.  CA has never been about terroir in the same way that Bordeaux is.  So, I think you need to help us with - are you looking for
a) a CA cab that has stood the test of time and is still 'great' - where great is defined in terms of CA, or
b) a CA cab that tastes like a Bordeaux
 
If you mean (a), then the late 60s are a pretty good bet.  '68 Monte Bello is a stunner, '68 and '69 Martha's are excellent - even the '68 BV is still showing well.
 
You want more age? '58 BV is doing very well as is the '51 (I prefer the egg fined).
 
You want to add a zero to your budget? Go for the '41 Inglenook - that will put an end to the debate.
 
BTW, I would not go with the '74 Martha's. It shows so much eucalyptus that while a wow wine, it is very far from a Bordeaux.  From 1974, my vote would be for the Conn Creek Eisele.
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03/08/2008 3:09 PM  
I'd vote for 74 or 75 Caymus, or the 68 BV. If you can find a 69 Ridge or 69 Chapellet, those are stunning wines.

I sort of agree with Bob on the 74 Martha's. One bottle about a year ago was stunning. About three years ago I had another bottle that was overly-eucalyptused...

Of course, for a stunning Calif Cab, I'd suggest the 1995 Araujo... doesn't get much better than that. Mmmm...
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03/08/2008 3:17 PM  
Just looked around some old ebob ratings for caymus (just curious), and found these notes:
1976 Caymus Special Selection - "Last Tasted 9/92 Along with the 1978, this is the most concentrated Cabernet Caymus has ever produced. Today their Special Selection style, while still oaky, is less intense and more supple than when it was inaugurated in 1975. 1976, a drought year with extremely low yields, resulted in a black-colored wine, with a big, toasty vanillin, cassis-scented nose, and highly extracted, viscous, thick flavors that coat the mouth. This wine is almost too much of a good thing, but then, so is the 1947 Cheval Blanc and 1947 Petrus. In fact, the texture and concentration of the 1976 Caymus Special Selection has more in common with those two wines than most modern day California Cabernets. Because of its sweetness of fruit and essence of Cabernet style, this wine can be drunk now. It should prove to be a legendary example of California Cabernet that can easily last for another 20 or more years."

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03/08/2008 6:07 PM  
Thanks all...I know he has tied a 94 Bryant and various vintages of JP Insingia that he enjoyed but neither 'wowed' him.

I am not looking for a CA wine that might make him think he is drinking a BDX...A Harlan would be nice but I dont think it would be as interesting for him to drink as a
1969 Chapellet, which is available at the winery for $1500.

Thanks again for the info, if anyone has a connection with a bottle that is for sale please let me know.

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