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Bob Bressler User is Offline

Napa Valley

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10/18/2007 1:33 PM
Posted By love_cab_chard on 10/18/2007 12:04 PM Over $300, I only have the Ringlands. at release prices - are there any others? Of course, with the AUD now at $.88 and climbing, that may change.

rickym13

los angeles

Wine Thief
Posts:2843

10/18/2007 3:11 PM
lets see....$300+ bottle in my collection are: 1959 chat margaux 1988 drc 2002 screaming eagle 2003 chat lafite 2003 harlan estate 2003 screaming eagle 2004 harlan estate 2005 harlan estate 2001 david arthur elevation 1147 mag (not sure if mag count) 2001-04 pride cab/claret mag 2001 shafer hillside select mag 200s shafer hillside select mag 2001 sherwin family american flag mag 2004 harlan estate mag 2004 sqn poker face mag 2004 sqn into the dark mag

David Niederauer User is Offline

Los Gatos, CA

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10/18/2007 4:52 PM
Posted By Bob Bressler on 10/18/2007 11:53 AM This is pretty much in line with my belief that there are two distinct, although overlapping, markets - collectors and consumers. For small producers, you have the opportunity to make a choice for your prime target market. Someone from the collector camp might wonder about this thread. After all, why have cabs worth less than $300? A waste of space. From a P&L point of view, the collector market is seductive. The problem, of course, is sustainability. Once you have chosen that course, it is hard to change. Then if your ratings plummet or TCA is discovered in the winery or something.... I think you have to add a third catagory. There are the crazies like me that go both ways. I certainly consider myself a "collector" but I don't equate a high price on an "upstart" wine makes a wine collectable. There is the "celebrity" of a well-known very good winemaker in the equation also but that factor is IMO nowhere near the "collectable value" that a "proven" wine has.� There are many other very good reasons other than price that make a bottle "collectable". There's the age of the bottle (but that is somewhat related to price). I'd much rather have a $300 bottle of 1967 Chateau d'Yquem than a new bottle of Sloan any day. As a matter of fact I'm in a quandry on a somewhat related problem right now. It was a tough decision to make but I did work up the guts and passed on my HSS offering a couple of months ago (6 bottles @ $200 [or something like that]) and thought I was "off the hook". I wrote them and told them that my "financial position at the moment" just didn't allow for me to take the allocation. This morning I get an email to just let me know, even though the allocation period is long expired that they have "saved" a six-pak for me and would I want it now. $1200? Would that buy me a bottle of a nice 1985 DRC? Maybe. Or do I take the stuff and just figure on selling four of them? Will I get my money back so I might be able to get that DRC at a later date?� The "cash flow" thing is lousy. Help!

Ferrari

Grape Picker
Posts:8

10/18/2007 5:16 PM
I have found that over the years the popular wines that made great names for themselves would run of the shelves each year, only to appear next year at a higher price... Like many I'm sure I would scoot of to the outlet and purchase these to lay down, dreaming of the occasion to which I would delve into there inner secrets.... What would I have with it?...who would I invite?... Now, some ten years later with these greats resting away, my tastes has changed... It a pinot mission!...Its a time thing, I consider the Pinots to be the Mozart and Beethoven of wine whereas as the great Cabs are the ACDC.... So, to answer the question.... As many as you can....because you taste may change again!.

jason

Napa Valley

Wine Addict
Posts:6886

10/18/2007 8:53 PM
Posted By rickym13 on 10/18/2007 3:11 PM 2004 sqn poker face mag 2004 sqn into the dark mag I think those are still in my collection.

rickym13

los angeles

Wine Thief
Posts:2843

10/19/2007 12:29 PM
Posted By alohaj on 10/18/2007 8:53 PM Posted By rickym13 on 10/18/2007 3:11 PM 2004 sqn poker face mag 2004 sqn into the dark mag I think those are still in my collection.

rickym13

los angeles

Wine Thief
Posts:2843

10/19/2007 12:34 PM
hey j. when are we getting together? let go grab something eat and open few bottles soon. ;)

jason

Napa Valley

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Posts:6886

10/19/2007 12:59 PM
Not sure if you got my e-mail, but we should go real soon. I may be taking a job up in Seattle, leaving in a week or so.

TimLinCA

Danville CA

Grape Sorter
Posts:398

10/19/2007 3:58 PM
What are your thoughts on the following questons?: Hi David, As you know I'm not a huge collector but I do occationally enjoy a good Cab. Like others have noted in this thread, we just don't eat as much red meat as before so Pinot, Syrah and Zin are usually our drink of choice. How many $100-$300 bottles of Napa Cab do you think you should have in your cellar? 99,00,01,02 JP Insignia (5 total) Stopped buying them when Costco no longer offered for $100. Especially shocking is the current $250 list price!! 99, 01, 02, 03 Shafer HSS (7 total) Will continue to buy only 1 a year due to price hike. 99 Lokoya Diamond Mt. (1 total) Must have been drunk when I bought this... Which wines in this catagory do you get offered? Which ones do you think you will purchase? Only HSS and I'll stick to only 1 a year unless there is another '01 or '02 quality vintage and only because I like Doug and John so much. Is there a wine that you aren't offered but would like to be able to buy? No, not really. In 2007 will the number of these Cabs you purchase be more or less that it was in 2006? Any particular reason why? About the same. I rarely drink these. Maybe I'll down one of the '99s. Most I'd like to age a bit more. Who buys all the Opus and Silver Oak wines? I buy 2 Sliver Oaks a year and promptly donate them to my kid's school auction. The crowd around here eats that stuff up and it can fetch a premium that benefits the kids. I'm just buying it at the Wine Club. Don't know why it can fetch $150 per bottle during the auction while some August West I donate usually only gets one bid other than mine. (Yes I do try to boost up the bidding on these)

rickym13

los angeles

Wine Thief
Posts:2843

10/19/2007 3:59 PM
Posted By alohaj on 10/19/2007 12:59 PM Not sure if you got my e-mail, but we should go real soon. I may be taking a job up in Seattle, leaving in a week or so. damm...really? i didn't get ur email. let me know when you have free time. this weekend is not good but...maybe next weekend? or we can hook up during the week as well.

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