incident  
Grape Stomper
Posts: 108
 | | 08-01-2007 11:37 AM |
| Just got the mailer...
2004 Cab $95/bottle (24)
2004 Cab $225/magnum (1)
2004 The Sisters $50/bottle (12)
If anyone is intersted in taking a few of either off my hands send PM. I'm located in Los Angeles.
Has anyone had a chance to taste either? Any feedback?
Thanks.
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shaferguy91
Germantown TN
Wine Addict
Posts: 6848
| | 08-01-2007 11:58 AM |
| Just Ordered:
3*2004 Cab
3*2004 Sisters | | | |
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JimmyV
Central Connecticut
Wine Connoisseur
Posts: 5168
| | 08-01-2007 12:22 PM |
| | 4 and 4 for me. | | | Beta testing a new signature. | |
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wineismylife 
Arlington, TX
Master of Wine
Posts: 12440
| | 08-01-2007 02:49 PM |
| | Passing | | | Joe-----Wine is like potato chips around me...if it's open, it's gone. | |
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Dave
Wine Connoisseur
Posts: 5751
| | 08-01-2007 03:41 PM |
| | Passing. I like "buy and hold" cabs so this is a wine that I should probably start buying again. No room in the budget this year. | | | |
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AlexRed
Northern VA
Wine Thief
Posts: 2660
| | 08-02-2007 11:18 AM |
| | no one has mentioned the free shipping... 2 day no less. | | | |
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TBird
Park Slope, Brooklyn
Master of Wine
Posts: 10194
| | 08-02-2007 11:33 AM |
| Posted By AlexRed on 08/02/2007 11:18 AM
no one has mentioned the free shipping... 2 day no less.
hey!!!! that's not fair!!!  | | | |
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Budman
Philly Suburbs
VinoCellar.com Extraordinaire
Posts: 23638
| | 08-02-2007 08:05 PM |
| Free shipping??? I thought that this was next to death by Mumba as far as Jones was concerned!!!
Just ask Brian Loring!!!
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AlexRed
Northern VA
Wine Thief
Posts: 2660
| | 08-03-2007 10:34 AM |
| yeah. i doubt that Dan is happy about that decision since he has spoken against it. it gives people fodder to demonstrate how cool (read petty) they are....Some a**hole on ebob was really trying to give him hell about it and must have some serious personal problems to enjoy that so much.
i probably shouldn't have even mentioned it, but i for one am happy about it. I don't/didn't expect it, but it definitely makes a difference to me. those estate bottles are heavy...
does anybody have an idea about when should i drink my 02's? | | | |
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JimmyV
Central Connecticut
Wine Connoisseur
Posts: 5168
| | 08-03-2007 12:30 PM |
| Posted By AlexRed on 08/03/2007 10:34 AM
Some a**hole on ebob was really trying to give him hell about it and must have some serious personal problems to enjoy that so much.
Can anyone explain how the most "moderated" (read: "censored") board is always the one with the most obnoxious, vile, petulant posts? I just read that thread and it sickened me. And Eric: I must say that I was surprised and disappointed by your comment that "if he gave the go-ahead or not is largely irrelevant". Of course it is relevant. A hypocrite, by definition, is one who says one thing but does the opposite. But if one does not wield the power to commit the act of hypocrisy, then one cannot be a hypocrite. I think Dan has made clear that he has a family interest (I think the phrase he used was "my wife and daughters have an interest") in the winery. I bet if you do a search you will not find any admission that he has an interest in the business. So at best there might have been a "family discussion" about what to do about shipping. The decision has been made by the decision makers. How that process proceeded behind closed doors is none of our business. If Dan suggested to others in his family that he thought that free shipping was a bad idea only to be overruled by the actual decision makers, he has no obligation to explain or admit to that. It is a personal business matter. Mere participation on a wine board does not waive any sense of familial confidence or business proprietary privilege. On the other hand, if he actually made the decision to go with free shipping, then all of this changes and a retraction from previous firmly-held beliefs is probably appropriate. So your comment that: "if he gave the go-ahead or not is largely irrelevant" could not be further from the truth. If the "go-ahead" was not his doing, he has nothing to explain or reveal. Now I leave it up to you to guess whether he: a) is not involved in the day-to-day operations of the winery and was not consulted on the decision; b) was consulted, advised against free shipping and was overruled; or c) wholeheartedly supported free shipping.  After you make your guess, then ask yourself again if he owes you or anyone else an explanation. | | | Beta testing a new signature. | |
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Marco
Barrel Sampler
Posts: 2070
| | 08-03-2007 02:32 PM |
| I agree that some of the posts on ebob were out of line and full of venom. Ugly. I do think that Dan should explain the decision to go to free shipping.
If it wasn't his decision, just say so. If he changed his mind, explain.
He stated his position on the subject posting under a screen name that implied a direct affiliation with Jones Family Winery. He questioned Brian Loring on the very subject and came on very strong.
That exchange may have something to do with BL no longer posting on this board.
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AlexRed
Northern VA
Wine Thief
Posts: 2660
| | 08-03-2007 03:36 PM |
| ah. now that i know who that guy is...it makes more sense.
i don't know dan personally. all i have to go on are his posts. from that data i would be surprised if he has any say in these types of decisions that he would suggest or otherwise be in favor of this policy given his public stance on the issue. if something changed his mind, ok, he knows what that was and he will work that into his experience and it is up to him whether or not he feels he wants to PM Brian or anyone else. that is a difficult thing to do sometimes.
it seems very probable to me that he still thinks it is a bad policy for California purchasers and the decision was made despite that. Would you open yourself to this type of contradiction if you could help it or unless you had an extrememly compelling reason? The latter would be interesting just because it would be nice to know what such a compelling reason was, economically/business-wise, but I would imagine it was not in his control...
ultimately though, I am confused as to why people think it might be his decision. I didn't realize that he played a big/active role in the management of the winery. from what i see on the website it is the Jones's and their daughters that make up the business. he is proud of the wine, but i didn't think he was very active in the details or the decision making other than being a "wine enthusiast" and getting advanced and frequent tastings. he may not distance his association but that doesn't mean that he is in charge. maybe i am incorrect (it has happened before and i readily admit it).
I think he does something else for a living 
i think this is a non-issue, except that it makes if more tempting to order tasty (if pricey)Â wine for those of us on the east coast. | | | |
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JimmyV
Central Connecticut
Wine Connoisseur
Posts: 5168
| | 08-03-2007 04:43 PM |
| I do think that Dan should explain the decision to go to free shipping.
If it wasn't his decision, he has no obligation to discuss how his father-in-law, wife, sister-in-law, or all of the above arrived at their decision.
If it wasn't his decision, just say so.
If it wasn't his decision, he owes you nothing.
He questioned Brian Loring on the very subject and came on very strong.
And doesn't this tell you everything you need to know about how involved he was in the decision making process? Why do people think that he owes the world an explanation about how his father-in-law runs his business? Seems like people won't be satisfied until they get an explanaation that he was asked his opinion, came out strongly against free shipping, was out-voted by the rest of the clan, and had to suffer the indignation of defeat. Or perhaps you want a blow-by-blow of what went on in the company board room. Or is it a marital spat that you want detailed? Sorry folks, but we're not entitled to any of that.
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Dave
Wine Connoisseur
Posts: 5751
| | 08-03-2007 06:41 PM |
| | This whole thing seems to me to be much ado about nothing. Isn't the eBob poster one of our own though? This appears to be a VinoCellar dispute that has spilled over to eBob in a very ugly fashion. | | | |
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Lakersguy
Orange County, CA
Barrel Filler
Posts: 1023
| | 08-04-2007 10:54 AM |
| | I agree that Dan doesn't need to explain anything unless something has changed at JFW and he is now involved in the marketing and operations of the winery. My guess is that he is not. | | | |
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jason
Napa Valley
Wine Addict
Posts: 6842
| | 08-04-2007 03:51 PM |
| | Acctually a no longer VC poster who posts on Wino Depot | | | |
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tanglenet
Oakland, California
Wine Bottler
Posts: 3267
| | 08-04-2007 04:07 PM |
| I'm on the fence. I have the 03 but I've been concentrating (or rather spending money) on PN these days.
In regards to the shipping: it's a tempest in a 750 ml. | | | TN posted on Cellartracker"
I drink no more than a sponge." François Rabelais | |
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wineismylife
Arlington, TX
Master of Wine
Posts: 12440
| | 08-04-2007 06:50 PM |
| Posted By alohaj on 08/04/2007 3:51 PM
Acctually a no longer VC poster who posts on Wino Depot
Can you narrow that down to one person?Â
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Dave
Wine Connoisseur
Posts: 5751
| | 08-04-2007 10:47 PM |
| Point well taken! JonesWine does not seem to be a popular person on Wino Depot. | | | |
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Randy Wigginton
Master of Wine
Posts: 10808
| | 08-05-2007 10:37 AM |
| I like a lot of the people over on Wino Depot. That said, the BB should be renamed "IhateJonesWine.com". Or perhaps "IhateBrad.com". Lots of water under the bridge, with no clear moral high ground anywhere. I'm not taking sides, that is for sure.
Who says Brian doesn't post over here anymore? He is busy, but last posted in February. Maybe he is hoping the software issues here will get fixed
The eBob thread has been sanitized. Once again I missed the "action". eBob has become the new WS board. Based on Squires final comment, I have to guess that SeanR7 got into a funk.
Looks like the wines are the same price this year? Isn't the free shipping effectively a price-cutting move?
I passed on the 2003 after backing up the truck for 2002. If I can fit some in the budget I'll be buying some of the 2004s. | | | |
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