WineJedi
Grape Sorter
Posts:351
 | | 02/06/2007 8:53 PM |
| received the Loring spring mailer today.
2005 Clos Pepe
2005 Cargasacchi
2005 Rancho Ontiveros
2005 Russel Family
$44/bottle plus free shippiing, same as the fall mailer.  | | | |
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Budman
Master of Wine
Posts:11858
| | 02/06/2007 9:08 PM |
| | I'm in for 6 bottles. | | | |
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Randy Wigginton
Wine Connoisseur
Posts:5484
| | 02/06/2007 9:20 PM |
| I'll be passing, cellar is full.  | | | |
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Stephen D.
Grape Fermenter
Posts:678
| | 02/06/2007 9:33 PM |
| | I was thinking about buying some of the Russell, anyone lucky enough to have tried some? | | | |
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Berry Crawford
Grape Truck Driver
Posts:28
| | 02/07/2007 12:49 AM |
| | I got a sneak peak of the Cargasacchi and Clos Pepe. Both wines were quite acidic and hot (on the nose) when opened but both mellowed after many hours of air. The Clos Pepe was my favorite of the two and after many hours of decanting turned into a very velvety and pure tasting wine. Not ultra- ripe and lush, but rather elegant and feminin. But it was fully ripe tasting. | | | |
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phlin
Grape Sorter
Posts:275
| | 02/07/2007 12:53 AM |
| | i'm in for the clos pepe, cargasacchi, and russell. | | | |
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rjs3
NJ
Barrel Filler
Posts:1124
| | 02/07/2007 5:25 PM |
| | Got mine yesterday. Free Shipping? I'm in. Need to decide how much. | | | |
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Al HooKoo
Las Vegas, NV
Barrel Filler
Posts:1351
| | 02/07/2007 8:26 PM |
| | I'm in for some Cargasacchi. | | | |
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Russ Williams
Grape Fermenter
Posts:459
| | 02/08/2007 12:10 AM |
| | Carg & Russell here. I will probably take 3 of each. | | | |
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David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
Master Sommelier
Posts:15756
| | 02/08/2007 12:50 AM |
| A must buy for me!
Give them credit for the free shipping. | | | |
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WineJedi
Grape Sorter
Posts:351
| | 02/08/2007 2:09 AM |
| Quote:
A must buy for me!
Give them credit for the free shipping.
absolutely! makes my choice between Loring and RC much easier. | | | |
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David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
Master Sommelier
Posts:15756
| | 02/08/2007 4:12 AM |
| Quote:
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A must buy for me!
Give them credit for the free shipping.
absolutely! makes my choice between Loring and RC much easier.
Two different styles of Pinot Noir.
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What does anyone think about the $100 bottle or Loring? | | | |
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JonesWineNo1
Sommelier
Posts:8568
| | 02/08/2007 1:44 PM |
| | "Free shipping" means the winery has decided to indirectly force California customers to subsidize far away customers' shipping costs. If I'm on the East Coast I love the policy. If I'm in California, I am not enamored with the distribution method. Transparent pass through of actual shipping cost is the way to go imo. | | | |
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R8der
Livermore, CA
Barrel Filler
Posts:1075
| | 02/08/2007 4:05 PM |
| Quote:
"Free shipping" means the winery has decided to indirectly force California customers to subsidize far away customers' shipping costs. If I'm on the East Coast I love the policy. If I'm in California, I am not enamored with the distribution method. Transparent pass through of actual shipping cost is the way to go imo.
While I agree with the premise that customers in California are subsidizing shipping to other areas, it's not like Brian amps his prices up accordingly. His wines are still a very fair $44. There are quite a few wines of equivalent quality that cost more, AND charge for shipping.
Chris | | | |
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Dave Tong
Santa Clara, CA
Barrel Filler
Posts:1334
| | 02/08/2007 6:11 PM |
| Quote:
"Free shipping" means the winery has decided to indirectly force California customers to subsidize far away customers' shipping costs. If I'm on the East Coast I love the policy. If I'm in California, I am not enamored with the distribution method. Transparent pass through of actual shipping cost is the way to go imo.
By that argument, people who buy a case are subsidising people who only buy a couple of bottles to a similar extent. I look at it that the cost of shipping comes out of his profits.
His winery, his policies. As far as I'm concerned he can do what he likes so long as he doesn't use those blasted oversized bottles. | |
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JonesWineNo1
Sommelier
Posts:8568
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David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
Master Sommelier
Posts:15756
| | 02/08/2007 10:20 PM |
| Quote:
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"Free shipping" means the winery has decided to indirectly force California customers to subsidize far away customers' shipping costs. If I'm on the East Coast I love the policy. If I'm in California, I am not enamored with the distribution method. Transparent pass through of actual shipping cost is the way to go imo.
While I agree with the premise that customers in California are subsidizing shipping to other areas, it's not like Brian amps his prices up accordingly. His wines are still a very fair $44. There are quite a few wines of equivalent quality that cost more, AND charge for shipping.
Chris
Jones is absolutely correct. The post just above is right to the point  ! CA customers subsidize the shipping charges to points east. It is not IMO fair at all.
Just to say that the wines are fairly priced therefore it is ok doesn't mean didilly. The fact is the cost of shipping is built in to the price (to quote Jones' post "."). West coast customers pay more.
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By that argument, people who buy a case are subsidising people who only buy a couple of bottles to a similar extent. I look at it that the cost of shipping comes out of his profits.
The freight companies charge less per bottle if the shipment is larger. Simply put; the shipping charges on a case are a lot less than on one bottle x 12. One bottle might ship for $1.00 but 12 bottles might only cost $9. | | | |
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Marco
Barrel Filler
Posts:1044
| | 02/08/2007 11:02 PM |
| I don't think Brian Loring considered the subsidy factor of East Coast shipping vs. West Coast shipping when he offered free shipping with his first release.
I am pretty sure he did this as a nice gesture and to set himself apart.
I can see how one can interpret it that way, but I don't think that was the intent.
It's not fair to criticize him for that.
Just goes to show, no good deed goes unpunished. | | | |
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David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
Master Sommelier
Posts:15756
| | 02/08/2007 11:09 PM |
| rumple,
He absolutely considers it. It is part of the cost of his doing business. Brian and I have discussed this for years. You are correct in that his intentions are 100% good. I am not wanting to "punish" him. We are very good friends. It is not a criticism. I just disagree with the policy. Let's not criticize anyone (including you me). | | | |
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Brian Loring
Grape Sorter
Posts:386
| | 02/09/2007 12:04 AM |
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Brian and I have discussed this for years. You are correct in that his intentions are 100% good. I am not wanting to "punish" him. We are very good friends. It is not a criticism. I just disagree with the policy.
It's OK to disagree We just view it differently.
One of the things to consider is that most products cost about the same wherever you buy them across the country. A Big Mac costs the same on the east coast as it does on the west coast. Same with a Coke. And, oddly enough, so do bottles of wine. You pretty much pay the same retail price for a bottle of wine everywhere in the country.
Why? Because shipping goods in bulk (ie pallets of wine) doesn't add a lot to the cost of the product. Therefore, you can buy a bottle of our wine for $48 in LA, Chicago, or New York. So doesn't it make sense for us to create a system in which all of our customers pay the same price across the country?
And if we did charge the east coast people more money to cover the higher shipping costs... that doesn't necessarily mean we'd charge the west coast people less. We might instead make a little less wine and not work as hard... which would still keep our profits at the same level. Why would we choose that? Because we chose to make more wine in order to make up for the losses incurred by paying the higher shipping costs to the east coast. That's how we keep our profits at a level that makes us happy.
Same with raising prices. We could do that - or make more wine. There's no set rule or formula. And while a smart business person (like David N) would point out that we leave money on the table, I'd argue that what we do gives us a competitive advantage... and may be part of the reason for our success.
As David says - we respectfully disagree on the issue. But that's what friends often do. | | | |
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