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Dave Tong  Send Private Message
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06-13-2006 08:24 PM  
3 course menu is $49, 4 courses $59, 5 courses $69.
Hors d'oevres are 30 per dozen, so 4 pieces = 1 course.
Glass rental is $7.50 per person. No corkage.
Factoring in tax and service (multiply by 1.3) makes it
$75 for the 3 course menu or $100 for the 5 course.

231 Ellsworth has a limit of 30 people.

Hors d'Oevres

Chilled lobster salad with avocado puree and brioche
Proscuitto, pear snd goat cheese crostini
Spicy Thai beef skewers with peanut sauce
Truffled exotic mushroom "Cappuccino"
Blinis with smoked salmon, apple and horseradish creme fraiche
Shrimp tempura with soy sake broth
Wild mushroom and warm Fontina cheese crostini
Whipped foie gras torchon on pecan-raisin toast
Seared filet of beef with tomato, onion and caper relish
Spicy seared tuna on sesame cracker with cucimber caviar
Warm fennel fritters with red pepper compote
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Soup & Pasta

Potato gnocchi with tomato, leeks and peas (seasonal, may vary)
Crispy exotic mushroom cannelloni with garlic cream
Soup du Jour
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Salads

baby lettuces with house vinaigrette and herb crouton
Baby spinach slad with apples, goat cheese, walnuts and Champagne vinagrette
Hearts of romaine salad with creamy roasted garlic-Parmesan dressing
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Middle Course

Crispy duck confit, pear butter, glazed turnips and hazelnuts
Smoked salmon carpaccio with fingerling potatoes, herbed creme fraiche and caper berries
Pan roasted scallops and celery root puree with frisee, apple and parsley salad and truffle vinaigrette
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Entrees (Vegetarian option available)

Pan roasted chicken breast with mushroom risotto and madeira sauce
Seared loin of lamb with creamy polenta and lavender scented lamb jus (+$5)
Roasted fillet of beef with mushrooms, spinach and potato puree
Fillet of Scottish salmon with pea sprout-pickled carrot salad, potato mousseline and veal jus
Roasted local halibut with smashed fingerling potatoes, multi-bean salad and lemon-parsley beurre monte
Spicy seared Ahi tuna with seasoned rice cake, avocado, ginger-soy emulsion and edamame relish (+$5)
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Desserts

Chocolate Fondant with warm liquic caramel and fleur de sel
Seasonal fruit souffle with housemade cookies
Apple tart tatin with cinnamob ice cream
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06-13-2006 10:14 PM  
Dave,

Thanks for doing all of this. It's appreciated.

If the private room at 231 only holds 30, would they seat us in the regular part of the restaurant? Or, how many do we need to take over the entire restaurant? I don't remember that it was that big to begin with.
TN posted on Cellartracker" I drink no more than a sponge." François Rabelais
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06-13-2006 10:33 PM  
The restaurant seats 130; to rent the whole place there's a cost of $1,000 and a guaranteed minimum of $10,000

According to the fax they sent me, the private room "is designed for groups of 15-28. With very close seating we can accommodate up to 32 guests on 4 round tables".

I forgot to mention; there is a $100 fee for renting the private room.
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06-13-2006 10:36 PM  
Thanks for the info. They've obviously expanded since the last time I was there.
TN posted on Cellartracker" I drink no more than a sponge." François Rabelais
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06-13-2006 10:37 PM  
Third Annual Cult Smackdown, 4th Nov 2006

The List:
2 DaveTong x2
4 LC17SMP 1 + 1ND
5 DavidN
6 ScottJ
8 Tanglenet x2
10 JBWines x2
11 WineGeek
13 Babnik x2
14 SFWine
16 Mark Neal x2
18 PaulK x2
20 Dave_Spriggs x2
22 TomG x2
24 RandyW x2
26 OrindaDave x2
28 GATC x2
29 Paul_H
31 Saut x2
33 Hudamang x2
34 Winebrat
36 S2KRacer x2
37 Winetex
39 Eric White x2
41 Brent Null x2
43 gfleener x2
44 GChadwick
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06-13-2006 11:04 PM  
I think I'm going to have to pass on this as I think I could be out of the country around the time this will be happening.
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06-13-2006 11:19 PM  
Questions on L&C offering"

Here's the menu. Cost is $100 per person, inclusive of all tax and gratuity, and no corkage.
The private "Library" room holds 28. The semi-private "Rose Room" holds up to 50.
If we have 29 people do we get the "Rose Room" at no extra charge?

Reception

Piper Sonoma Brut
Does this mean they include the cost of the Champagne in the $100?
Chef's Hors d'oevres
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Soup and Salad
I assume you mean "Soup OR Salad, choose one of the following":
HOUSE GREENS SALAD Organic Lettuces, Orange Lavender Vinaigrette, Toasted Almonds
COMPASS CAESAR SALAD Romaine Hearts, Egg-less Dressing, Parmesan, Garlic Croutons
SOUP of the DAY
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Entrees

PAN ROASTED FILET MIGNON, `au Poive Verte’ Scallion Mashed Potatoes, Green Peppercorn Brandy Sauce, Asparagus Vegetables
GRILLED SMOKED STURGEON Szechwan Pepper Cabernet Glaze, Yukon Potato Fricassee with Fennel & Celery Root, Grilled Asparagus
HERB ROASTED RACK of LAMB Tomato Fennel Confit, Tuscan White Beans, Sauteed Kale, Rosemary Jus
VENISON STIR FRY in Japanese Plum Wine shiitake mushrooms, pearl onions, garlic sauteed chard, crispy risotto
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Desserts

LAVIN'S CHOCOLATE TORTE
FRUIT SORBET & BERRIES
CHEESECAKE of the DAY
COMPASS TIRAMISU
Dave Tong  Send Private Message
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06-13-2006 11:31 PM  
If we have 29 people do we get the "Rose Room" at no extra charge?

That's my understanding.
However the Rose Room is not a private room, it's just a seperate dining area.

Piper Sonoma Brut
Does this mean they include the cost of the Champagne in the $100?
Yes. Without the Piper Sonoma it's $110 per head

Soup and Salad
I assume you mean "Soup OR Salad, choose one of the following":
Yes.
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06-13-2006 11:32 PM  
Questions on 23E offering
3 course menu is $49, 4 courses $59, 5 courses $69.
Hors d'oevres are 30 per dozen, so 4 pieces = 1 course.
Glass rental is $7.50 per person. No corkage.
Factoring in tax and service (multiply by 1.3) makes it
$75 for the 3 course menu or $100 for the 5 course.
Does this mean...
$75 for a salad OR pasta, entree and dessert and NO hors d'oevres?
$100 for hors', salad, pasta, entree and dessert?
$100 for two portions of hors', salad OR pasta, entree and dessert?
$?? for hors', salad OR pasta, entree and dessert??


231 Ellsworth has a limit of 30 people.
It would seem we shouldn't even think about this place, true?

Hors d'Oevres

Chilled lobster salad with avocado puree and brioche
Proscuitto, pear snd goat cheese crostini
Spicy Thai beef skewers with peanut sauce
Truffled exotic mushroom "Cappuccino"
Blinis with smoked salmon, apple and horseradish creme fraiche
Shrimp tempura with soy sake broth
Wild mushroom and warm Fontina cheese crostini
Whipped foie gras torchon on pecan-raisin toast
Seared filet of beef with tomato, onion and caper relish
Spicy seared tuna on sesame cracker with cucimber caviar
Warm fennel fritters with red pepper compote
---
Soup & Pasta

Potato gnocchi with tomato, leeks and peas (seasonal, may vary)
Crispy exotic mushroom cannelloni with garlic cream
Soup du Jour
You tell me... are these dishs Cab-friendly?
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Salads

baby lettuces with house vinaigrette and herb crouton
Baby spinach slad with apples, goat cheese, walnuts and Champagne vinagrette
Hearts of romaine salad with creamy roasted garlic-Parmesan dressing
Do we really want/need a salad (especially with Cab)?
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Middle Course

Crispy duck confit, pear butter, glazed turnips and hazelnuts
Smoked salmon carpaccio with fingerling potatoes, herbed creme fraiche and caper berries
Pan roasted scallops and celery root puree with frisee, apple and parsley salad and truffle vinaigrette
These don't seem really Cab-friendly either.
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Entrees (Vegetarian option available)

Pan roasted chicken breast with mushroom risotto and madeira sauce
Seared loin of lamb with creamy polenta and lavender scented lamb jus (+$5)
Roasted fillet of beef with mushrooms, spinach and potato puree
Fillet of Scottish salmon with pea sprout-pickled carrot salad, potato mousseline and veal jus
Roasted local halibut with smashed fingerling potatoes, multi-bean salad and lemon-parsley beurre monte
Spicy seared Ahi tuna with seasoned rice cake, avocado, ginger-soy emulsion and edamame relish (+$5)
Would the group have a choice of any of the above at the dinner or do we have to pick three or four and then the group gets a choice of those three or four for their entree?
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Desserts

Chocolate Fondant with warm liquic caramel and fleur de sel
Seasonal fruit souffle with housemade cookies
Apple tart tatin with cinnamob ice cream


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06-13-2006 11:37 PM  
If we have 29 people do we get the "Rose Room" at no extra charge?

That's my understanding.
However the Rose Room is not a private room, it's just a seperate dining area.
Do you think this would be a big problem or a small problem?

Piper Sonoma Brut
Does this mean they include the cost of the Champagne in the $100?
Yes. Without the Piper Sonoma it's $110 per head
If we take double the Champagne can we get it for $90 a head?

Soup and Salad
I assume you mean "Soup OR Salad, choose one of the following":
Yes.
Dave Tong  Send Private Message
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06-14-2006 12:11 AM  
Does this mean...
$75 for a salad OR pasta, entree and dessert and NO hors d'oevres?
$100 for hors', salad, pasta, entree and dessert?
$100 for two portions of hors', salad OR pasta, entree and dessert?
$?? for hors', salad OR pasta, entree and dessert??


Yes. $?? = $90. For salad OR pasta I think you can read salad Or pasta OR middle.

The 3 course dinner is $49. Adding $7.50 for glass rental, $3.50 for the room rental
and 30% to cover tax and tip it came to around $75. My understanding is that we can
pick any three courses; one soup/salad/pasta/middle, one entree, one dessert.

The 4 course dinner is $59. Glasses, room, tax and tip takes it to just under $90.

The 5 course dinner is $69. Glasses, room, tax and tip takes it to just over $100.

Now the horses doofers are $30 for 12. Which means $10 gets you four, which is the
difference between three courses and four, or four and five. Does that make sense?


231 Ellsworth has a limit of 30 people.
It would seem we shouldn't even think about this place, true?
It's not my top pick. Currently we are at 44, and I'm sure there are many
people who might be interested who haven't spoken up yet, such as Jones or pyang.

I'm still bugging Parcel 104 to get their act together. I spoke to Samantha
(restaurant manager) on Saturday and have been trading emails with her since;
she's promised to help try and sort things out in our favour.


Potato gnocchi with tomato, leeks and peas (seasonal, may vary)
Crispy exotic mushroom cannelloni with garlic cream
Soup du Jour
You tell me... are these dishs Cab-friendly?
Mushroom canneloni, maybe. I've never had a soup that went with Cab.

Do we really want/need a salad (especially with Cab)?
I would say not. However there may be a few non-drinkers who might be interested.
I don't believe that we all have to order the same thing.


Crispy duck confit, pear butter, glazed turnips and hazelnuts
Smoked salmon carpaccio with fingerling potatoes, herbed creme fraiche and caper berries
Pan roasted scallops and celery root puree with frisee, apple and parsley salad and truffle vinaigrette
These don't seem really Cab-friendly either.
No, but the duck sounds yummy

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Entrees (Vegetarian option available)

Pan roasted chicken breast with mushroom risotto and madeira sauce
Seared loin of lamb with creamy polenta and lavender scented lamb jus (+$5)
Roasted fillet of beef with mushrooms, spinach and potato puree
Fillet of Scottish salmon with pea sprout-pickled carrot salad, potato mousseline and veal jus
Roasted local halibut with smashed fingerling potatoes, multi-bean salad and lemon-parsley beurre monte
Spicy seared Ahi tuna with seasoned rice cake, avocado, ginger-soy emulsion and edamame relish (+$5)
Would the group have a choice of any of the above at the dinner or do we have to pick three or four and then the group gets a choice of those three or four for their entree?
My understanding is that we either pick two and people can choose on the day, or we pick from the list and get exact numbers in advance.
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06-14-2006 12:15 AM  
If we have 29 people do we get the "Rose Room" at no extra charge?
That's my understanding.
However the Rose Room is not a private room, it's just a seperate dining area.
Do you think this would be a big problem or a small problem?
Small problem. They'd partition us off from the rest of the restaurant with screens.
Whenever we ate there we always requested the Rose Room because Alison hated the wicker
chairs in the main part. More often than not we had the room to ourselves.
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06-14-2006 12:22 AM  
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I've never been to Lion and Compass.



Ah, some amazing Silicon Valley deals were done within those walls...
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06-14-2006 12:27 AM  
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I've never been to Lion and Compass.



Ah, some amazing Silicon Valley deals were done within those walls...



So I'm told. Last time I was there they still had a stock ticker running on the wall by the bar

Here's a great article about the founder, Nolan Bushnell of Atari fame
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06-14-2006 12:33 AM  
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I've never been to Lion and Compass.



Ah, some amazing Silicon Valley deals were done within those walls...




Too True and I've never been to the joint.

I've been to Buck's though. Probably more deals made there than at L&C (at least ongoing).
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06-14-2006 12:37 AM  
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Currently we are at 44, and I'm sure there are many
people who might be interested who haven't spoken up yet, such as Jones or pyang.




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06-14-2006 03:34 AM  
As a general rule of thumb, for every 15 folks, you need a bottle of wine for a sufficient pour. For 44 people, we'd need three bottles of each wine.
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06-14-2006 06:03 AM  
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As a general rule of thumb, for every 15 folks, you need a bottle of wine for a sufficient pour. For 44 people, we'd need three bottles of each wine.



Speaking of wines, maybe we should start thinking about the flights.
DavidN already made a few suggestions.

With some lobbying for Quilceda Creek to be added maybe we should play the regions off against each other and have a *real* smackdown.
From Washington: Quilceda Creek. 100 points from Parker
From Napa: Insignia. WS WOTY and flight winner last year.
From Sonoma: Les Pavots. Unless someone has a better idea - maybe A. Rafanelli Terrace Select?
From Santa Cruz Mountains: Monte Bello. Fresh off winning the Judgement in Paris rematch.
From ... where else? Maybe Justin Isosceles from Paso Robles - Parker scored it 95? Or maybe Pride from the Napa/Sonoma border?

We should definitely continue with the Friends And family flight -
Neal, Bressler, Jones and now Match - just need one more (Ladera? Switchback? Two Gringos???) to fill it out.
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06-15-2006 07:35 PM  
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As a general rule of thumb, for every 15 folks, you need a bottle of wine for a sufficient pour. For 44 people, we'd need three bottles of each wine.




Didn't we need three bottles last year? Seems to me we did. I remember having to open half of them.

Arranging who brought what was a real pain in the ass!

IIRC that was when GrapefullDead started the bottle count thread and then bailed. You can say anything about him here and he won't be able to read it. He told me he is not even registered. I like David (except for the damn "dito" thing). I hope he will consider coming this year.
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06-15-2006 07:39 PM  
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As a general rule of thumb, for every 15 folks, you need a bottle of wine for a sufficient pour. For 44 people, we'd need three bottles of each wine.




Didn't we need three bottles last year? Seems to me we did. I remember having to open half of them.

Arranging who brought what was a real pain in the ass!

IIRC that was when GrapefullDead started the bottle count thread and then bailed. You can say anything about him here and he won't be able to read it. He told me he is not even registered. I like David (except for the damn "dito" thing). I hope he will consider coming this year.




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