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05/02/2008 8:30 AM  
Lots of discussion this morning about this issue.  People aren't huge Bordeaux buyers around here but it seems to me that there is some crying this morning about the scores - especially if you bought first growths.  They did not get slapped with 100 pts  as expected by some.  It also seems to me if you bought wines that you might want to drink someday you probably made out quite well.
 
I did not buy any 2005s.  Perhaps a mistake but they won't be ready until I'm a LOT older and I have many cases of the previous "vintage of the century".  

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05/02/2008 9:36 AM  
I'm not playing. I haven't bought any Red Bordeaux since the 2000 vintage with the exception of about 1 case each of the 2001 and 2003 vintage and 3 bottles of the 2005 vintage. My Bordeaux buying days are pretty much over. I'll be dead by the time some of the 2005s are ready to drink.

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05/02/2008 9:42 AM  
I only bought two items - some Smith Haut Laffite and Carmes Haut Brion. I like Graves, and the prices were reasonable. It's interesting to see the frenzy over it on eBob - reminded me of the craze for the 2000s.
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05/02/2008 9:44 AM  
It never ceases to amaze me how many wine aficionados cannot make up their own mind about what they like and therefore want to buy until somebody like Lord Parker tells them so.

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05/02/2008 10:27 AM  
On a more comical level, it's like "wine people" running around shopping after the WS Top 100 comes out.
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05/02/2008 11:42 AM  
No.  Despite all assertions of purported value to the contrary, Bordeaux wines I have been interested in purchasing (and have purchased in the past) are priced in the stratosphere.  I can't in good conscience purchase them anymore.
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05/02/2008 11:56 AM  
Haven't bought any 2005 Bdx, and don't plan to. So with no dog in this fight, here is my observation (which is really more of a suspicion).
 
I'm not a conspiracy threorist when it comes to Parker (or Laube), but I wonder if Parker isn't giving a not-so-subtle nudge of his influence to try to drop prices. In his text, he states that now that the wine is in bottle, the prices will go up. But I don't think there is anything in the scores to suggest that retailers can or should do this. The collective moan from the e-bobbers confirms that there will be no rush to buy many/most of the big boys if they haven't been bought already. So without the tidal wave of point chasers, prices shouldn't go up.
 
As for the "conspiracy" if you will, there is lots of discussion by Parker about the unfortunate up-tick in prices over the already ridiculous prices for the 2000 vintage. And he repeats this refrain in his discussion of the 2007 vintage.  Then he goes on to say that 2005 is the greatest vintage in his 30-year profession. But the scores don't reflect that. A whole bunch of 90-93 point wines is great for the public, but it is hard to raise the vintage up to the highest pedestal based on that.  So what does he do next? He slips in a line about how his scores are conservative. But as we all know, this opinion cannot and will not find its way on to wine shop websites or shelf-talkers. A 93 is a 93. 
 
So there is a part of me that feels that Parker:
 
1.) realizes his influence on pricing,
2.) realizes that prices have climbed above the point of reason, and
3.) intentionally scored the wines low with a wink and cue that they are really better than the scores
 
all in an effort to help drive prices down, or at least hold them steady.  He all but beseeches U.S. buyer to avoid the 2007 futures market and let the market adjust downward.
 
What I gleaned from his text, coupled with the scores is: "if I score most of the wines 98-100, the price climb will continue to the detriment of the wine buying public.  But if I score the wines 91-96 and hint to everyone that they are really better than that, the prices will hold steady, or even drop. Which accomplishes my goal as a wine Advocate".
 
And my other thought in perusing the issue coupled with the e-bob gripe session is, all these know-it-alls who poo-poo purchasers of $100 California start-ups that "only" score 93-95 points should rethink their posts now that they are proud owners of $250-$1,500 bottles of 93-96 point Bdx!

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05/02/2008 1:51 PM  
I think you hit the nail on the head JimmyV - I was thinking the same thing.
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05/02/2008 1:53 PM  
Great Post, JimmyV, I think you got it figured out.
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05/02/2008 2:59 PM  
Jimmy, agree with many of your points, great post.

I bought 1 case of 2005 on futures but only because I heard the quality was so great. That was almost 3 years ago and with the way prices have escalated I just can't imagine purchasing anything else...

WIML, I agree about the Parker point chasers but can also see why people new to wine chase - Parker, WS, etc. can provide the frame to build your palate around. I certainly chased points when I started but after 6 years of refining my personal tastes I now make selections based more on producer, region and vintage. And besides, after you purchase a bottle of expensive, high-scoring wine that fails to live up you quickly reassess your buying habits!
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05/02/2008 3:08 PM  

JImmyV, very interesting post. Thx for the thoughts.

I only bought 4 labels of the 05's. The first 3 were bought based on actual tastings, and the last because I had a buzz and hit the enter key at an online auction (doh!).

d'Armailhac
Cantenac Brown
Talbot
The Winemakers' Collection Michel Rolland Cuvée No. 1

All were in the $35-45 bottle range which seemed reasonable to me.


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05/02/2008 4:35 PM  
Jimmyv - excellent post.
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05/02/2008 5:59 PM  
I'm not much into Bordeaux anymore, but I have enjoyed many bottles in the past. For kicks I bought a 2005 Reignac the other day. The wine is nice.. but very strong tannins. I'm confident the fruit will outlast the tannins, but it is going to take quite a while... and this is from a "drink now" wine. I will be long dead before the first growths are ready to drink. If I'm still alive, I wonder if I will care about drinking wine.
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05/02/2008 8:23 PM  
I've had zero interest in the '05 Bordeaux campaign, have purchased zero bottles, and have no intention of purchasing any. Slowly I've also been reducing my inventory of other vintage Bordeaux as well, as the current market price for these wines starts making it look silly to hold on to them, at least to me.
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05/03/2008 1:38 PM  
I bought a few '05 Bdx substantially below futures pricing (like Fleur Cardinale for $25) when Wine Commune was foolish enough to offer $1 no reserve auctions on futures some time back.
 
I hope I'm around to enjoy them when they are mature
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05/04/2008 11:42 AM  
I bought less than a case on futures (including Winecommune as mentioned above) and don't plan on anymore unless unless I'm in Costco and see a "good buy".
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