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Paul_H 
San Francisco
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 | | 08-14-2006 08:17 PM |
| This tasting and dinner will be held Wednesday, August 16th, at Pesce, 2227 Polk Street between Green and Vellejo, starting at 6:00 p.m. Here is a pretty accurate review from Chowhound.. The menu is small plate seafood which I think will go perfectly with the wines. The reservation is for eight. We will order ala carte from the menu ($7 to $15 per plate) and corkage will be a flat $15 per person. Stemware at Pesce is standard Libby bistro glasses, so if you want to bring you own stemware, please feel free to do so, I have cleared this with the restaurant. Bring six stems, I think we will have two flights of six. I was touring the Central Coast this weekend and came back with two very interesting wines to add to the tasting. Possible wines include (not making any promises): Varner, Rhys, Montelena, Diatom, Mount Eden, Ridge, Hanzell, 1er Burg, 1er Chablis, and anything anyone wants to bring to see if they can win the challenge! There are a few seats left, this should be a really interesting tasting. | | | http://www.sweetandsourspectator.org |
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jason
Napa Valley
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Posts: 6899
| | 08-18-2006 06:46 PM |
| Paul,
I saw you posted the wines tasted, but what were the results? | | | |
| David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
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| | 08-18-2006 07:07 PM |
| You should really read the posts on eBob about this. The Varner gets WOTN and Parker himself chimes in on Paul's post almost hyping the wine. | | | |
| Randy Wigginton
Master of Wine
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| | 08-20-2006 12:39 AM |
| So... who's joined the Varner list now?  | | | |
| David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
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| | Randy Wigginton
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| | 08-20-2006 11:24 PM |
| Quote:
Me!
I'm a lemming point-chasing whore too! | | | |
| jason
Napa Valley
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Posts: 6899
| | 08-21-2006 11:03 AM |
| Thank you for the link. I want to respond to the premise and the outcome but can't quite come up with the right wording to get my point or thoughts across(Should have been an attorney) with out it coming out wrong.
I would be interested in trying Varner, but I would be in no rush to join the list in context of what Burgundies they were up against. Hopeully I will have the pleasure to try one some time and it could help me form a better opinion one way or the other. | | | |
| Paul_H
San Francisco
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Posts: 890
| | 08-21-2006 01:14 PM |
| It is true that the Burgs in the tasting were less than stellar, which goes a long ways towards explaining the ranking. The Burgophiles had suggested, however, that there was no way they would be fooled into mistaking a New World wine for a Burg, regardless of the quality of the wines. Something or other about 'terrior,' I believe.  All I was out to prove is that New World Chards do not all taste like Kendall Jackson, there are some folks out there working on restraint and finesse. We also inadvertantly proved that buying a "1er Cru" Burg from a hyped vintage guarantees nothing. | | | http://www.sweetandsourspectator.org | |
| jason
Napa Valley
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| | 08-21-2006 06:41 PM |
| Thanks Paul, the tasting sounded interesting. | | | |
| David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
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| | 08-22-2006 09:17 PM |
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It is true that the Burgs in the tasting were less than stellar, which goes a long ways towards explaining the ranking. The Burgophiles had suggested, however, that there was no way they would be fooled into mistaking a New World wine for a Burg, regardless of the quality of the wines. Something or other about 'terrior,' I believe. All I was out to prove is that New World Chards do not all taste like Kendall Jackson, there are some folks out there working on restraint and finesse. We also inadvertantly proved that buying a "1er Cru" Burg from a hyped vintage guarantees nothing.
I may regret posting this.
$ for $ California Chards are better* than white Burgundys (Skwid and I may have to duel it out with our sabres). *This is not at all to say that California Chardonnays are better than white Burgundys. Probably maybe the opposite is true.
And what TF is the definition of the term "Burgundian"? On Sunday I had a byo with about 40 people. 10 of them brought a California Chardonnay of some sort (from Lohr to Kistler). Six of the 10 bottles had the word "Burgundian" on the back label.
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| skwid
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| | 08-22-2006 09:57 PM |
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It is true that the Burgs in the tasting were less than stellar, which goes a long ways towards explaining the ranking. The Burgophiles had suggested, however, that there was no way they would be fooled into mistaking a New World wine for a Burg, regardless of the quality of the wines. Something or other about 'terrior,' I believe. All I was out to prove is that New World Chards do not all taste like Kendall Jackson, there are some folks out there working on restraint and finesse. We also inadvertantly proved that buying a "1er Cru" Burg from a hyped vintage guarantees nothing.
I may regret posting this.
You will
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$ for $ California Chards are better* than white Burgundys (Skwid and I may have to duel it out with our sabres). *This is not at all to say that California Chardonnays are better than white Burgundys. Probably maybe the opposite is true.
Hint try some 2004 Etienne Sauzet Bourgogne Blanc. Pretty darn tasty stuff and only $20 to boot.
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And what TF is the definition of the term "Burgundian"? On Sunday I had a byo with about 40 people. 10 of them brought a California Chardonnay of some sort (from Lohr to Kistler). Six of the 10 bottles had the word "Burgundian" on the back label.
I think the CA Chards use "Burgundian" as a marketing term to make like they are "frenchy". | | | |
| Winetex
Austin, Texas
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| | 08-23-2006 12:31 AM |
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I think the CA Chards use "Burgundian" as a marketing term to make like they are "frenchy".
They want to be. | | | |
| Paul_H
San Francisco
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| | 08-23-2006 02:16 AM |
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I think the CA Chards use "Burgundian" as a marketing term to make like they are "frenchy".
They want to be.
When California wine producers stop wanting to be French, California wine will have arrived. French wine is not perfect. California wines will never be exactly like French wines, because it is possible to consistently get ripe grapes in California.
Some producers we all love are making California wine, and are not apologizing about it:
Kosta Brown,
Siduri
Loring,
Aubert
Saxum
SQN
Shafer
Harlan
Good for them. | | | http://www.sweetandsourspectator.org | |
| Winetex
Austin, Texas
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| | 08-23-2006 03:46 PM |
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Good for them.
Absolutely! I was just stirring the pot... | | | |
| David Niederauer
Los Gatos, CA
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| | 08-28-2006 10:43 PM |
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Good for them.
Absolutely! I was just stirring the pot...
You were stirring the pot?
Look at me!
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