ChangeMe  Barrel Filler
 Posts: 1074
 | | 02-27-2004 06:55 PM |
| (Shiraz, dry farmed 80+ year old vines) This wine is completely sold out and one taste of this will tell you why. Offered at a lower price point than its $150 sibling, The Run Rig, this wine was a dark, rich maroon in color with lots of dark plums, blueberries and figs on the nose. Nice chewy mouthfeel and good depth. Very extracted and almost Turley-esque in that manner. Silky finish. 93 pts. | | |
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ChangeMe  Grape Picker
 Posts: 10
 | | 01-13-2005 04:44 PM |
| Lafon,
Do you know anything about the 2002? I am going to an Australian Shiraz tasting in April and can get two of these that I would like to bring to it. What would you expect to pay? Any help would be great. Thanks. | | | |
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Seaquam  Barrel Filler
 Posts: 1141
 | | 01-14-2005 12:20 AM |
| I know nothing of the '02, but I do know that the '01 was selling at Lafon Rochet's favorite wine store for $95 last March. | | | |
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JonesWineNo1  Sommelier
 Posts: 8568
 | | 01-14-2005 12:31 AM |
| If anything the 02 Factor should be even better than the 01. | | | |
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TORB  Berrima NSW Australia Grape Fermenter
 Posts: 547
 | | 01-14-2005 01:29 AM |
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If anything the 02 Factor should be even better than the 01.
No if anything about it! They are both very good but the 02 is the better wine. I have tried the 01 but cant not find the tasting note.
Torbreck 2002 The Factor SA2004 sells for $125 at CD. Cropped at about ½ ton to the acre, the fruit comes from Moppa and Kanunga Hill and has been aged in 30% new French oak. The bouquet is bloody good but it is brooding, like a spoilt little rich kid that refuses to come out of their room. Sweet raspberry and cherry on the attack, with a savoury mid palate of plums, blackcurrant, tar and mint; the complexity is wonderful. It is a very classy, full-bodied wine with abundant, drying, puckering tannins and distinct fruit. Locked up tight at the moment, it is rated as Excellent with ** for value. | | | Cheers Ric<br>www.torbwine.com | |
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ChangeMe  Barrel Filler
 Posts: 1371
 | | 01-14-2005 07:52 PM |
| Thanks Torb - sounds excellent. | | | |
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TORB  Berrima NSW Australia Grape Fermenter
 Posts: 547
 | | 01-14-2005 09:30 PM |
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Thanks Torb - sounds excellent.
Yep! Thats what I rated it. | | | Cheers Ric<br>www.torbwine.com | |
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Winoman  Herndon VA Grape Puncher
 Posts: 778
 | | 01-15-2005 04:56 AM |
| Yeah - good news. I picked up 2 bottles of the 01 last year purely based on rep and my desire to try more nice Aussies that I hadn't been exposed to yet. I got it for a steal ($40-50 - something like that) - I didn't even know what I had until I've been reading reviews recently. Any recs on drinking windows? I figured I'd let them sit for a bit - though I imagine its not mandatory with these fuit bomby type of wines... | | | |
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ChangeMe  Barrel Filler
 Posts: 1074
 | | 01-15-2005 07:37 AM |
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Lafon,
Do you know anything about the 2002? I am going to an Australian Shiraz tasting in April and can get two of these that I would like to bring to it. What would you expect to pay? Any help would be great. Thanks.
Sorry, I do not know much about the 2002, but listen to Seaquam. He's been eying it for awhile, but has been holding off on pulling the trigger.
Also, I would consult winesearcher or premier cru to determine places to purchase this wine if that's what you decide.
Good luck! | | | |
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Joseph Bembry  Advanced Sommelier
 Posts: 9450
 | | 01-15-2005 11:26 PM |
| I'm not big on Aussie Shiraz not named Grange, but the '02 Factor is pretty good stuff. Overpriced, but I would love to have some in my cellar. And I think it will age nicely for 10-12 yrs.
jb | | | |
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TORB  Berrima NSW Australia Grape Fermenter
 Posts: 547
 | | 01-15-2005 11:35 PM |
| Winoman,
These are not "fruit bombs" in the true sense although they do have lots of ripe fuit to back a well balanced structure. Whilst it can be drunk young, there is no doubt it would bewastet to do so as these wines will gain real complexity with age. | | | Cheers Ric<br>www.torbwine.com | |
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JonesWineNo1  Sommelier
 Posts: 8568
 | | 01-17-2005 04:32 PM |
| That's quite a bias JB and is surprising to me given that Grange is not exactly a value choice and you are usually more immune to the allure of icon wines than others.
I have a fair amount of high end Shiraz in my collection and I am not bothered at all by not having a single Penfolds wine in it including Grange. I would really be bothered if I did not have any Torbreck though. | | | |
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Winoman  Herndon VA Grape Puncher
 Posts: 778
 | | 01-18-2005 12:01 AM |
| Yeah - I think I sort of realized that it was (will be) a more civilized Syrah. I have really enjoyed the Rosemount Balmoral Syrah and the Penfolds RWT (both from 98) and I wanted some more exposure to well made - more balanced Syrahs from down under (they all still have pretty powerful fruit...just goes with all the sunshine and because thats what most folks want I think...) - and I was hoping to branch out a bit from the Aussie wine equivilants of Miller and Budweiser- so (last year) I picked up a number of the Torbrek and Kay Brothers wines (and some others i can't remember off the top of my head) that didn't seem as if they were overpriced for the quality. I have yet to crack one yet - but am expecting great things....and I am always open to suggestions as well... | | | |
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TORB  Berrima NSW Australia Grape Fermenter
 Posts: 547
 | | 01-18-2005 01:25 AM |
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Y have yet to crack one yet - but am expecting great things....and I am always open to suggestions as well...
Winoman.... now go grab the rough end of a pineapple, bend over and ....
Sorry, could not resist it. Those Kays are pretty bloody good, and even better at US$20 to US$35 a bottle here. for mailing list customers. | | | Cheers Ric<br>www.torbwine.com | |
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Joseph Bembry  Advanced Sommelier
 Posts: 9450
 | | 01-18-2005 04:38 PM |
| Biased? You're probably right. I'm not big on Zinfandel either. I can appreciate both, but I don't feel a need to buy them and/or cellar them. Just not my style these days. I have culled all Austalian wine from my cellar save for 1 bottle of '01 D'Arenberg Dead Arm (given to me by the good Dr. T) and I still have one bottle of MPS2 that I will probably gift to someone at some point.
All that being said, I loved the Rockford Basket Press and yes, Grange is out of my price range, but I loved the vintages I've tried.
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ChangeMe  Grape Picker
 Posts: 10
 | | 01-19-2005 03:25 PM |
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and I still have one bottle of MPS2 that I will probably gift to someone at some point jb
My birthday is in April.
Thanks for all the feedback everyone. | | | |
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